PSA blood test - left my arm throbbing on the drive home...

Thanks for bringing the PSA up for discussion. I meant to post something along the following lines during November as part of ‘Movember’ but never quite got round to it.

Men’s health, especially in terms of urinary and sexual symptoms are often kept private, but, as you can see from this conversation they are common place.

It’s important to note, as has been highlighted, that interpretation of PSA results is not always an exact science. There are a number of factors that can increase one’s PSA and those include both prostate cancer AND benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). Infections, catheters, ejaculation and even cycling can also cause temporary rises in PSA.
Importantly, a high PSA does not necessarily mean that you have prostate cancer AND, a normal PSA does not necessarily always preclude prostate cancer (although does provide a level of reassurance).

The British Association of Urological Surgeons does some excellent advice sheets and may I suggest that those who are considering asking their GP for a PSA test read it: https://www.baus.org.uk/_userfiles/pages/files/Patients/Leaflets/PSA advice.pdf

They also do one for those who have a raised PSA level (remember that what is classed as raised is age category dependent): Raised PSA

Unfortunately, the best way to distinguish between a benign (non cancerous) prostate and a cancerous prostate in the GP setting (in the context of a raised PSA) remains the finger up the bottom test (also called a PR examination or DRE). Although somewhat undignified, please remember we do an awful lot of these and it’s not something to worry/be embarrassed about.

In terms of biopsies, most are now done under local anaesthetic (sometimes with the addition of some sedation) through the perineum (skin between the anus and scrotum). This carries a reduced infection risk from the older TRUSS (trans-rectal) biopsies and allows for better sampling. These, although uncomfortable are typically well tolerated.

Prostate cancer is a very wide spectrum of disease and PSA values do not necessarily correlate with the grade (aggressiveness) of disease. There are lots of treatment options available.

Urinary symptoms in older men are common and can be debilitating. Are you one of those men whose trips out are completely guided by where the next toilet is? Could you previously pee over a five bar gate and now struggle to hit the back of the bowl? Are you having recurrent infections? Are you leaking or dribbling at the end of your stream leading to damp patches or smells? Do you get a sudden urge to go and have to race to the loo and sometimes not get there in time? Are you up 3-4 times per night and therefore not getting proper sleep?
All of these symptoms are common but the sorts of things we keep very quiet. Please do go and have a chat with your doctor about them (even if you wait for hours on the phone or weeks for an appointment, just go and have the chat). There are lots of management options available that can very much improve one’s quality of life.

Four final things but probably most importantly:

1. If you see ANY blood in your wee, even once, take it seriously and go and see your GP ASAP plus go along with the next investigations.

2. If you start leaking urine at night (waking up with a wet bed etc.) go and see your GP asap (could be a sign of a type of urinary retention which can cause damage to your kidneys).

3. Self check your testes regularly - if you find any lumps and bumps, get them checked out (this goes for the younger readers as well). Here’s how to do it: https://www.baus.org.uk/_userfiles/pages/files/Patients/Leaflets/Testicular self examination.pdf

4. New erectile dysfunction - lots of causes but later in life mostly down to cardiovascular issues. Go and have a chat with your GP - firstly there are things that can be done to improve symptoms, secondly, they may assess you for other underlying conditions etc and by doing so may be able to commence preventative measures for heart attacks and strokes.

If my urological night shift ramblings lead to just one person seeking help or advice for any of the above they will have been worth it.
 
I meant to post something along the following lines during November as part of ‘Movember’ but never quite got round to it.

Absolutely no criticism intended, but therein lies the problem with men (it's usually men) and their health - never quite getting round to it.

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Your excellent post will (I hope) serve to give a much needed nudge to many - sometimes we all need a helping nudge...


 
On a lighter note.
I recall one Oncologist with his finger up my rear stating that I was a big chap and his finger was not quite long enough to feel all of the offending organ. I asked him if , with such small hands, had he thought of switching to Gynaecology. We both laughed and speculated that there were probably parts of Amsterdam where one can pay allot for a similar experience to the one I was having 😂😂

Same chap have me the diagnosis a week later, put me on the pill to drop my testosterone production whilst awaiting a slot for the knife.
Interesting experience being chemically feminised. Hot flushes, overwhelming urge to redecorate and buy cushions. Completely lost all ability to read a map!
 
Never in a million years did I think that a post which started with:-

"On a lighter note"...

Would then go on to say:-

"I recall one Oncologist with his finger up my rear...":oops:

Reflect on the fact that your post has generated a healthy discussion on these pages of prostate cancer and the need to take a PSA test. :tiphat:

That is surely worth a visual image that it will be impossible to forget - and just be thankful @Nimrod1960 hasn't changed his avatar to suit! 😉

As you pointed out above, men are - by and large - hopeless at discussing medical issues, particularly when it affects "matters down there". They would far rather ignore it, cross their fingers, and hope it simply goes away. Without wishing SD to become stalking's version of Cosmopolitan, if the generally light-hearted discussion in this thread encourages one member here to take a PSA test then it will have more than served its purpose.
 
This all sounds like a lot of fun.….
I’m 41 and haven’t been to the GP in 20yrs. Never even met her.
What can I get tested for?
 
When I was 32 I suffered from epididymal cysts, kidney infection and an enlarged prostate. It really wasn't funny, and the pain when trying to perform certain normal functions (such as I was able to) came close to causing me to black out on several occasions. It took about 2 years on various courses of antibiotics to get it under control. With each new course the infection regressed into the cysts, and then flared up again as soon as I finished the pills. I ended up on some really strong stuff that made me as sick as a dog, but finally cleared it. But I was left with all the problems you've read about above: needing to pee urgently and frequently. Needing to pee again 30 seconds later. Dribbling after peeing. Getting up seceral times in the night. Occasional wet bed. And other issues we needn't go into here. Particularly embarrassing when staying as a guest elsewhere, due to the need to get up several times in the night. In fact, I often used to take a bucket into the room I was staying in, rather than wake my hosts by tramping too and from the bathroom in the night.
For 20 years I thought this was just something I had to live with. Pretty miserable, but such is life sometimes.
Then, about 9 months ago, while my wife and I were doing some research into nutritional supplements as an alternative to HRT to alleviate menopause symptoms, I came across this stuff:
Yes, it's a quack remedy, and no, it's not an alternative to getting yourself properly checked out as sensibly recommended by many posters in this thread, but by God! It's changed my life!
No more getting up in the night, no more dribbling, just a good satisfying **** like the old days! And no more wet bed. And other things much improved too :norty:
So fellas, once you've done the right thing and ascertained that you're just suffering from general wear and tear and age, and not something more sinister, I'd definitely recommend giving these a go. The benefit was almost instant in my case, and has really improved my quality of life.
I take the "strong" ones. 2 pills per day. Expensive perhaps, but to me it's been worth every penny.
 
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Just to add to the experience that some of the internal examiners have. A gynaecologist at an interview for a post at a highly respected hospital, was asked about his training experiences doing his job. He replied that one thing he found helpful was doing all his own home decorating, especially his hall, stairs and landing. How could that be helpful he was asked? well he said I do it all stood outside my house, with my hands and arms through the letter box. :norty:
 
When I was 32 I suffered from epididymal cysts, kidney infection and an enlarged prostate. It really wasn't funny, and the pain when trying to perform certain normal functions (such as I was able to) came close to causing me to black out on several occasions. It took about 2 years on various courses of antibiotics to get it under control. With each new course the infection regressed into the cysts, and then flared up again as soon as I finished the pills. I ended up on some really strong stuff that made me as sick as a dog, but finally cleared it. But I was left with all the problems you've read about above: needing to pee urgently and frequently. Needing to pee again 30 seconds later. Dribbling after peeing. Getting up seceral times in the night. Occasional wet bed. And other issues we needn't go into here. Particularly embarrassing when staying as a guest elsewhere, due to the need to get up several times in the night. In fact, I often used to take a bucket into the room I was staying in, rather than wake my hosts by tramping too and from the bathroom in the night.
For 20 years I thought this was just something I had to live with. Pretty miserable, but such is life sometimes.
Then, about 9 months ago, while my wife and I were doing some research into nutritional supplements as an alternative to HRT to alleviate menopause symptoms, I came across this stuff:
Yes, it's a quack remedy, and no, it's not an alternative to getting yourself properly checked out as sensibly recommended by many posters in this thread, but by God! It's changed my life!
No more getting up in the night, no more dribbling, just a good satisfying **** like the old days! And no more wet bed. And other things much improved too :norty:
So fellas, once you've done the right thing and ascertained that you're just suffering from general wear and tear and age, and not something more sinister, I'd definitely recommend giving these a go. The benefit was almost instant in my case, and has really improved my quality of life.
I take the "strong" ones. 2 pills per day. Expensive perhaps, but to me it's been worth every penny.
I will give these a try , I've been suffering for about 5 years . Numerous courses of antibiotics etc
 
I had my prostate out by robot 5 years ago... Guys Hospital were great, but my local healthcare was outstandingly bad, 10 months nearly to get to surgery.
Insist on the 2nd biopsy if nothing shows on the first.
I recommend if anyone is going down this journey to do all the pelvic floor muscle exercises you can.... I was blasé about it and am paying for it now.

I had hormone therapy for 3 months
1. Put on weight
2. Started to grow boobs
3. Lost the ability to reverse a car!

Ed
 
I had my prostate out by robot 5 years ago... Guys Hospital were great, but my local healthcare was outstandingly bad, 10 months nearly to get to surgery.
Insist on the 2nd biopsy if nothing shows on the first.
I recommend if anyone is going down this journey to do all the pelvic floor muscle exercises you can.... I was blasé about it and am paying for it now.

I had hormone therapy for 3 months
1. Put on weight
2. Started to grow boobs
3. Lost the ability to reverse a car!

Ed
Must be terrible not being able to reverse a car.
😁
 
Well done.

It is always worth getting the PSA test.

I had the new biopsy test back in February, where they go in through the perineum, which does have a tendency to make the eyes water. However whilst slightly uncomfortable it is definitely worth doing. Had the second follow-up appointment last week and it all looks good, with the PSA score well within acceptable limits.
I had the same; last two years high PSA score with MRI, then follow up scan showing potential lesions …. Then the biopsy…. Made my eyes water a bit too ( and clenched teeth)… thankfully all clear and since then ( June time) my PSA score has halved ( Finasteride) …
 
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Well played.

I know that talking about men's health is a pain in the arse...













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I've had more than my fair share of digits, cameras and stuff that I'm not certain the origin of, entering my arse (no I've never been in clink!) but they found the tumour that would have done for me and removed it. My jacksie is now a closed door. My surgeon told me, when I was on the road to "recovery", that he'd given my bladder and prostate a "right beating" during my Op but needed to "shave" my prostate to give him a clear margin when removing the bowel tumour. I have had a PSA test since my surgery which gave good results but now I'll follow @oxfordshirestalker 's advice and go see my GP. :tiphat:
 
@stalker 1962,
You sir are a permanent source of amused enlightenment, you are also a lightning rod for misadventure, I certainly would not willingly stand in your vicinity during a storm.
Over the last 9 months I’ve had numerous blood tests, scans, operations, drips etc and been subjected to all the indignities documented above plus a couple more that I suspect were invented on the spot for no other purpose than to cause maximum embarrassment and discomfort..
Not once was I left with a cannula inserted, tourniquet, uncontrolled bleed, random inserted digit or any other kind of misadventure. The worst thing I can recall is being discharged with about 200 sutures and a surgical drain in my shoulder attached to suction pump with instructions to empty it twice a day and measure the discharge.
No problem, by doing it myself I got to go home early , I may even have told a few porkies to improve my chances.
Clearly I have been incredibly lucky avoiding medical misadventures, and long may it continue.
Back to your story.
I had the pleasure of stalking with a professor of Proctology for a number of years, a lovely gentleman, definitely not a practitioner of keyhole surgery, several times he gralloched deer so effectively that the only clue as to whether you were looking at the head or the ass was the direction the hair was pointing.
He told me that the later in life prostate cancer developed, the less concerned he was about it.
“Far more men die with it, than of it.”
By all means go for regular tests and screening, just don’t panic if you should test positive.
Treatments and results have improved dramatically over the last decade.

Best of luck with your test result and best of health for the future.
 
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