Members are quite within their rights to put up a hand when the chair asks any questions / other business.
Questions for the Basc AGM
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If I can, I will. Too early to make a firm committment but, if that weekend stays free then I'll be there with you finn. If so then a diversion via your way is likely. Could we do it there and back in a day?
I once drove a Defender & trailed Humber rib, back from Wick in a very short time, but allowing for a full & frank exchange of views, IF we are allowed this facility on the day
, I would say it could be done safely with maybe a couple of stops en route, some may find it a little bit of a stretch & maybe stay over.
, I would say it could be done safely with maybe a couple of stops en route, some may find it a little bit of a stretch & maybe stay over.
I would hope that any wishing to make a difference, would be on site & breakfasted by around 8.30 am to allow for unforeseen events,(getting lost)
, or maybe finding someone nailing up the door!
, or maybe finding someone nailing up the door!
Mannlicher_Stu
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Can we not add a Poll to this then we can see at a glance what support is going to be present.
I will probably take my campervan up and stop on a site for a few days.
I will probably take my campervan up and stop on a site for a few days.
A quantum leap, Stanley Duncan's black shed , to a posh Uni building.
A poll on top of this thread, initiated by Neil back in 2008, might have to come from Neil himself or maybe Admin.
In this day and age surely it would be possible to provide live, two way video links between the main meeting and the various regional offices. Remember the sticker "BASC - green and always has been". Never has their been a better time to prove that claim. The technology is freely available. Let's use it to get the best out our organisation.
Maybe Alex might comment on the ease or otherwise of internet conferencing & the like?, after all isn't that new building going to be an I.T. enabled structure?
deerhunter270
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I would be interested to hear if B.A.S.C are going to oppose the possibility of a ban on lead bullets and lead shot
not everybody is rich and can afford to spend fortunes on there hobby.It looks as if the C.A are the only ones
actively opposing the proposed ban.BASC are quick to want our money but slow in fighting for our rights.And yes I am
a member but will be watching there response to the lead ban which will make up my mind if I will renew
deerhunter270
not everybody is rich and can afford to spend fortunes on there hobby.It looks as if the C.A are the only ones
actively opposing the proposed ban.BASC are quick to want our money but slow in fighting for our rights.And yes I am
a member but will be watching there response to the lead ban which will make up my mind if I will renew
deerhunter270
Clydebank is a lot nearer to Stirling than me, I'll be there, will you?
Deerhunter,
To date there has been no mention of either the possibility or the probability of a 'lead ban'. If the Alliance are saying otherwise then they are just rabble rousing.
Like it or not, the existing regulation of the use of lead shot over water or wetland has some substance to it, unlike the perceived drawbacks of lead bullets which have yet to be proved or dismissed. I am of the opinion that the claims emanating from the USA result as much from lack of scientific rigour as they do from pressure group activity. Although I am disappointed by the manner in which the news of their participation in the study group was revealed to the membership, I am pleased that BASC have chosen to engage with the issue rather than adopt the the CA's typical reactionary 'la-la-la not listening' approach.
As finnbear has said, he and others will be making the long trip to the AGM to make their views known. Will you?
To date there has been no mention of either the possibility or the probability of a 'lead ban'. If the Alliance are saying otherwise then they are just rabble rousing.
Like it or not, the existing regulation of the use of lead shot over water or wetland has some substance to it, unlike the perceived drawbacks of lead bullets which have yet to be proved or dismissed. I am of the opinion that the claims emanating from the USA result as much from lack of scientific rigour as they do from pressure group activity. Although I am disappointed by the manner in which the news of their participation in the study group was revealed to the membership, I am pleased that BASC have chosen to engage with the issue rather than adopt the the CA's typical reactionary 'la-la-la not listening' approach.
As finnbear has said, he and others will be making the long trip to the AGM to make their views known. Will you?
deerhunter270
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As long as my work and family commitments allow I will be there 
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Harry mac
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The percieved draw backs of lead bullets may well have yet to be proved, but the very fact that some anti groups have realised they can use the example of the various US states that have banned lead bullets for rifle hunting shows that they seem to have more of their ducks in a row than we have of ours. As usual we are being left to react to a threat seemingly off the back foot, at least, that's the impression I'm left with after reading the Shooting Times article. What kind of plans do BASC have to combat the possibility of a ban in UK? Indeed are BASC considering going along with this nonsense?
Good luck to all of you going to Stirling, hope you get the answers you want
Unfortunately I will not be there as I am no longer a member, which is a pity as I am only thirty odd miles from there
Over the years I have been a member of most of the organisations, and become disillusioned by most of them.
Unfortunately I will not be there as I am no longer a member, which is a pity as I am only thirty odd miles from there
Over the years I have been a member of most of the organisations, and become disillusioned by most of them.
Deerhunter 270, Below is a copy of an email recently sent to a friend of mine. Read it and the article to be published in Sporting Gun. It states BASC policy and their actions so far. Any questions not answered adress them to John Swift not me. The policy and course of action originated as described in the article not from me. ATB Bob Dear Mr Lewis, Inaccurate and alarmist reports have appeared in the shooting press and on email concerning BASC's position on lead ammunition. They misrepresent BASC’s position and the current situation. BASC would like to take the opportunity to put the record straight. The facts of the matter are: 1. BASC is firmly opposed to any unwarranted attempts to further restrict lead shot. 2. All other shooting organisations support this position. 3. BASC and all other shooting organisations agree that the shooting community must be involved in discussions on the future of lead ammunition. Not to be involved is to lose our voice and influence. 4. All the shooting organisations have been discussing the latest evidence on lead shot for some time. 5. All the shooting organisations agree that shooting should be involved in the lead ammunition advisory group being established by DEFRA to examine scientific evidence on the use of lead ammunition in the UK . 6. All the main shooting organisations are supportive of John Swift, the CEO of BASC, taking the Chair. 7. The shooting organisations form the largest group on the lead ammunition advisory group. They include BASC, the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust, the Gun Trade Association and the Countryside Alliance. Other organisations will be asked to contribute in specialist areas. The natural conclusion from this is that shooting is well represented and is united on this issue. What does this mean for the future of lead ammunition in the UK ? Defra has chosen the lowest level of committee, unofficial and industry-driven, to give advice. 1. No political party in the UK has any plans to further restrict lead shot 2. The current position of the Food Standards Agency is that the consumption of shot game is not sufficient in the UK to become a public health issue. 3. There is a growing body of evidence that suggests that some birds can be poisoned by feeding on shot animals or taking up lead shot as grit. 4. The group has been asked to assess the relevance of research for the UK . 5. Nothing will happen in the UK for the foreseeable future. Please forward this email to anyone you know who is involved in shooting. You can read John Swift's Article on the issue for the next issue of Sporting Gun here: http://www.basc.org.uk/filemanager/root/site_assets/media/pdf/april_2010_lead_ammunition_group.pdf If you would like to discuss any of the issues in more detail, please contact the BASC communications department on 01244 573031 or email pressoff@basc.org.uk
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Bandit Country
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I got the same email, read the article and then phoned BASC to give my two penne'th worth as invited. Had an entirely civilised conversation about all the fiascos that have occured in recent years that simply confirm we (the shooting community) are always coming off the back foot and reiterating my view that BASC are being comprehensively outflanked in the long haul. Having said my piece we ended up agreeing to differ with a promise to pass my views on to Council. I then settled down to have some tea, cake and a read of ST only to see that some apparently leaked documents indicate BASC's own research committee are saying we should all prepare for a full on lead ban!
In view of my phone conversation I await a firm statement that the leaked minutes are entirely false.
I also made the point - again - that BASC are just rubbish at communicating with their members.
In view of my phone conversation I await a firm statement that the leaked minutes are entirely false.
I also made the point - again - that BASC are just rubbish at communicating with their members.
caorach
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I think it reasonable to prepare for a full lead ban because that is what the green nutters want and, especially if there is a hung Parliment, that is what they will get.
I've been saying it for some time here, and on AR I suspect before I came on here: the green nutters are paying for "research" into the "damage" the lead in bullets does not just to animals and in the food chain but also in the back stops at ranges. They are attacking it from every angle and are gathering the "science" to support their claim. The science journals not infrequently carry research papers on the danger of lead bullets in this, or for that. What have we got to counter this science? Remember the man made global warming scam? Remember the recent stories surrounding leaked emails showing that a whole research unit in a UK university were basically making stuff up, related to the man made warming scam, for papers published in science journals? What do you think motivated that? The very same people are just waiting to come out in support of the anti-lead campaign and it will have the same, if somewhat downscaled, PR machine working away behind it.
I think the green nutters learned a vital lesson with the fox hunting "ban" in that it was an utter failure for them. They can see that the route to a real ban wasn't to attack the method of hunting but rather the means of hunting. If they had shown that keeping hounds for hunting was cruel and had hounds banned then they would have had a success. They aren't going to make that mistake with shooting and so they are not going to attack what we do, or the precise reasons why we do it, they are going to attack the actual means by which we kill things, or put holes in targets, until our access to that means is removed. First lead bullets will go, then we will find that, all of a sudden, there is "sicence" to show that monometal bullets are dangerous for some reason and that they all kill babies on Christmas Day.
So, if anyone does go to the AGM perhaps it will be useful to ask exactly what the strategy to retain lead bullets, or any other bullets for shooting, is? I don't mean the "oh we will defend our position..." randomly made up stock replies but rather a detailed plan to defeat the green nutters on this one. Trust me, they have a plan and a long term strategy and we will have a communications centre where BASC glorious leaders can sit around telling the press how terrible it is that they are not allowed to shoot any more.
I've been saying it for some time here, and on AR I suspect before I came on here: the green nutters are paying for "research" into the "damage" the lead in bullets does not just to animals and in the food chain but also in the back stops at ranges. They are attacking it from every angle and are gathering the "science" to support their claim. The science journals not infrequently carry research papers on the danger of lead bullets in this, or for that. What have we got to counter this science? Remember the man made global warming scam? Remember the recent stories surrounding leaked emails showing that a whole research unit in a UK university were basically making stuff up, related to the man made warming scam, for papers published in science journals? What do you think motivated that? The very same people are just waiting to come out in support of the anti-lead campaign and it will have the same, if somewhat downscaled, PR machine working away behind it.
I think the green nutters learned a vital lesson with the fox hunting "ban" in that it was an utter failure for them. They can see that the route to a real ban wasn't to attack the method of hunting but rather the means of hunting. If they had shown that keeping hounds for hunting was cruel and had hounds banned then they would have had a success. They aren't going to make that mistake with shooting and so they are not going to attack what we do, or the precise reasons why we do it, they are going to attack the actual means by which we kill things, or put holes in targets, until our access to that means is removed. First lead bullets will go, then we will find that, all of a sudden, there is "sicence" to show that monometal bullets are dangerous for some reason and that they all kill babies on Christmas Day.
So, if anyone does go to the AGM perhaps it will be useful to ask exactly what the strategy to retain lead bullets, or any other bullets for shooting, is? I don't mean the "oh we will defend our position..." randomly made up stock replies but rather a detailed plan to defeat the green nutters on this one. Trust me, they have a plan and a long term strategy and we will have a communications centre where BASC glorious leaders can sit around telling the press how terrible it is that they are not allowed to shoot any more.
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