raw feed

Our passion is your passion... stalk with us!
Status
Not open for further replies.
sika

sika

Well-Known Member
any good raw feed suppliers any recommendations im wanting to put my dogs onto raw thanks
 
As you are asking on the vets forum, my professional opinion is that raw feeding is a fad, usually fed because, "it's more natural", which is cobblers as domestic dogs evolved/were bred off whatever human scraps were lying around. Raw feeding carries a higher risk of salmonella, campylobacter, E. coli 157, TB, all of which can and have been transmitted to people. There is also a higher risk of parasite transmission.
So for all those reasons I can't recommend raw feeding.

That said, I know plenty of you do, so if you are doing it, make sure the food is from a reputable (DEFRA checked) supplier and is deep frozen before feeding.
 
When I'm out of biltong trim, lamb trim, chicken carcasses, rabbit carcasses, pheasant carcasses or venison trim... Natural Instinct for the remaining 2 months of the year @sika
 
I use to have mine on natural instinct but now use a local place that make there own, they are very good at talking through it with you if you ever wanted to give them a ring, I use their own brand one
newlandspets.co.uk

Newlands Pets: The Natural Dog Food Specialists

Years of experience helping dogs and owners find the perfect dog food. Raw and grain-free dog food specialist. Experts in BARF diet, as well as helping dogs which have issues with their diet.
newlandspets.co.uk newlandspets.co.uk
 
Buchan said:
As you are asking on the vets forum, my professional opinion is that raw feeding is a fad, usually fed because, "it's more natural", which is cobblers as domestic dogs evolved/were bred off whatever human scraps were lying around. Raw feeding carries a higher risk of salmonella, campylobacter, E. coli 157, TB, all of which can and have been transmitted to people. There is also a higher risk of parasite transmission.
So for all those reasons I can't recommend raw feeding.

That said, I know plenty of you do, so if you are doing it, make sure the food is from a reputable (DEFRA checked) supplier and is deep frozen before feeding.
Click to expand...
Have to say this has to rank as one of the most disappointing posts you’ve made sir .
As a vet you’ll know dogs stomach acid is far stronger than ours and deals with all of what you describe in a healthy dog .
Its a proven fact that manufactured foods containing compressed proteins go straight out the back end of the dog whilst dry foods are linked to cancers in dogs .
You have gone down a fair bit in my estimation over this post .
Parasite burdens are easily controlled these days so that dosnt stack up either .
Ive fed raw everything from rabbit to fallen stock over the years with no I’ll effects to the dogs ,myself or anyone else .
To state domestic dogs evolved around human scraps is fair but as dogs are omnivores you wouldn’t expect anything less .Raw diets can include part boiled veg of any sort ,large bones as well as meat .
 
uptonogood said:
Have to say this has to rank as one of the most disappointing posts you’ve made sir .
As a vet you’ll know dogs stomach acid is far stronger than ours and deals with all of what you describe in a healthy dog .
Its a proven fact that manufactured foods containing compressed proteins go straight out the back end of the dog whilst dry foods are linked to cancers in dogs .
You have gone down a fair bit in my estimation over this post .
Parasite burdens are easily controlled these days so that dosnt stack up either .
Ive fed raw everything from rabbit to fallen stock over the years with no I’ll effects to the dogs ,myself or anyone else .
To state domestic dogs evolved around human scraps is fair but as dogs are omnivores you wouldn’t expect anything less .Raw diets can include part boiled veg of any sort ,large bones as well as meat .
Click to expand...
Sorry, but that is complete rubbish. I’m sure @Buchan has seen as many dogs with infections linked to raw feeding as I have. Dogs do not have a magic digestive system and the bit about dry foods being linked to cancers is pure fantasy. By all means feed a raw diet. Millions do without incident, but don’t dismiss the small but real chance of the infections mentioned and try to claim that commercial diets are cancer causing poison.
 
Millerich said:
Sorry, but that is complete rubbish. I’m sure @Buchan has seen as many dogs with infections linked to raw feeding as I have. Dogs do not have a magic digestive system and the bit about dry foods being linked to cancers is pure fantasy. By all means feed a raw diet. Millions do without incident, but don’t dismiss the small but real chance of the infections mentioned and try to claim that commercial diets are cancer causing poison.
Click to expand...
Have you got any data or studies that we can see that support this?

It would be ingesting to see the facts, vets often push dry food diets with little evidence. Hopefully all the adverts for said dry food that I see in the waiting areas of almost all vets aren't linked to this!

Sam
 
Buchan said:
As you are asking on the vets forum, my professional opinion is that raw feeding is a fad, usually fed because, "it's more natural", which is cobblers as domestic dogs evolved/were bred off whatever human scraps were lying around. Raw feeding carries a higher risk of salmonella, campylobacter, E. coli 157, TB, all of which can and have been transmitted to people. There is also a higher risk of parasite transmission.
So for all those reasons I can't recommend raw feeding.

That said, I know plenty of you do, so if you are doing it, make sure the food is from a reputable (DEFRA checked) supplier and is deep frozen before feeding.
Click to expand...
Which food brand sponsors your practice? 😂
 
samdk said:
Have you got any data or studies that we can see that support this?

It would be ingesting to see the facts, vets often push dry food diets with little evidence. Hopefully all the adverts for said dry food that I see in the waiting areas of almost all vets aren't linked to this!

Sam
Click to expand...
Which bit? A study showing that dry diets don’t cause cancers? Surely the people peddling those theories should be the ones providing peer reviewed studies that prove they do? Regarding raw diets, despite the huge popularity and vast revenue generation by the companies selling them, there are no studies showing benefit. Plenty of anecdote and for the vast majority of users they will have zero problems. Generally speaking we as vets don’t say don’t use them. As Buchan said above, the advice is be aware of the small, but real risk contained therein.
 
Millerich said:
Which bit? A study showing that dry diets don’t cause cancers? Surely the people peddling those theories should be the ones providing peer reviewed studies that prove they do? Regarding raw diets, despite the huge popularity and vast revenue generation by the companies selling them, there are no studies showing benefit. Plenty of anecdote and for the vast majority of users they will have zero problems. Generally speaking we as vets don’t say don’t use them. As Buchan said above, the advice is be aware of the small, but real risk contained therein.
Click to expand...
I’m not peddling any theory’s just in search of the facts so I can make an informed decision on what is best for my dog.

Any studies to support what you are saying would be appreciated?

Common sense would suggest that a raw diet is best as it is what dogs ancestors eat, as apposed to a highly processed dry food? But I’m open minded.
 
samdk said:
I’m not peddling any theory’s just in search of the facts so I can make an informed decision on what is best for my dog.

Any studies to support what you are saying would be appreciated?

Common sense would suggest that a raw diet is best as it is what dogs ancestors eat, as apposed to a highly processed dry food? But I’m open minded.
Click to expand...
See above.
 
samdk said:
I’m not peddling any theory’s just in search of the facts so I can make an informed decision on what is best for my dog.

Any studies to support what you are saying would be appreciated?

Common sense would suggest that a raw diet is best as it is what dogs ancestors eat, as apposed to a highly processed dry food? But I’m open minded.
Click to expand...
Dogs were likely domesticated approximately 20000 years ago, whereas cooking food has been going on for 400000 plus years. That would suggest that cooked food has most likely always made up part of the diet of what we know as dogs.
 
Millerich said:
Sorry, but that is complete rubbish. I’m sure @Buchan has seen as many dogs with infections linked to raw feeding as I have. Dogs do not have a magic digestive system and the bit about dry foods being linked to cancers is pure fantasy. By all means feed a raw diet. Millions do without incident, but don’t dismiss the small but real chance of the infections mentioned and try to claim that commercial diets are cancer causing poison.
Click to expand...
Dogs do have a far better system compared to our own sir .Vets have a unhealthy ability to link animals with ourselves to play on our emotions .
Out of the millions mentioned by you yes a few will have problems ,it’s called nature .Not every dog is an athlete nor healthy .
Im not trying to claim commercial diets cause cancer ,there’s plenty written to support it ,try doing some research rather than looking silly .
Im also sure you’ve seen more diet related incidents from commercial feed than you have raw but you’ve brushed that over .
Obesity in dogs is far more prevalent in commercial fed diets than raw ,in fact I’d say it’s just about hard to force a dog to eat enough raw to get obese .
Put commercial food in front of many dogs and they will glut and glut all day whereas with raw the dog knows it’s had enough at least all mine have .
The water content of commercial is from one end of the spectrum to the other ,dry or tinned slop .
About time vets actually looked beyond the front desk and it’s glossy brochures .
 
Last edited:
uptonogood said:
Dogs do have a far better system compared to our own sir .Vets have a unhealthy ability to link animals with ourselves to play on our emotions .
Out of the millions mentioned by you yes a few will have problems ,it’s called nature .Not every dog is an athlete nor healthy .
Im not trying to claim commercial diets cause cancer ,there’s plenty written to support it ,try doing some research rather than looking silly .
Click to expand...
To be honest, I think I’d rather see you return the favour of my couple of links regarding peer reviewed papers on raw feeding with the same for “plenty written to support it”. If advice regarding sound science and informed consent to make your own choices makes me look silly, I’ll take looking silly all day.
 
I believe it is dependent on your dog, as suggested in this article. However I personally from friends etc of more dogs that have had issues from non-raw food, specifically grain, starch and cereal allergies. So while it may not be "needed" in my opinion the digestive system is still very close to that of their ancestors so I feed a complete raw (this includes offal, bones and veg). Mrs.E's dog that she had before we got together and we still have suffered from eating dry food (stomach swelling and pain). we switched her to Raw and this has stopped. My neighbours dog had lots of allergies, they switched her diet to cooked venison (that is all along with some sweet potato) this has cleared that up

so raw may not be the way to go for all dogs and each to their own, but some scrutiny at the ingredients of the large food companies needs to be looked at without a doubt

Science | AAAS

www.science.org www.science.org
 
T.eddie said:
I believe it is dependent on your dog, as suggested in this article. However I personally from friends etc of more dogs that have had issues from non-raw food, specifically grain, starch and cereal allergies. So while it may not be "needed" in my opinion the digestive system is still very close to that of their ancestors so I feed a complete raw (this includes offal, bones and veg). Mrs.E's dog that she had before we got together and we still have suffered from eating dry food (stomach swelling and pain). we switched her to Raw and this has stopped. My neighbours dog had lots of allergies, they switched her diet to cooked venison (that is all along with some sweet potato) this has cleared that up

so raw may not be the way to go for all dogs and each to their own, but some scrutiny at the ingredients of the large food companies needs to be looked at without a doubt

Science | AAAS

www.science.org www.science.org
Click to expand...
That’s a very interesting article and it does support the theory that dogs have a genetically derived ability to digest starches that their wolf cousins don’t. Thanks for that.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Feeding raw and kibble ?
2
Replies
23
Views
2K
WalkedUp
WalkedUp
Puppy talk
Replies
7
Views
701
Edd101
E
Hello Gents! Big Tone introduction 👏😁
Replies
4
Views
189
Big Tone
B
New dog and raw feed
2 3 4
Replies
63
Views
4K
Dickie
D
New Recruit
Replies
1
Views
156
bullet chucker
B
https://Immersive-optics.com/
Back
Top