raw feed

[sh1kar]

Only ever fed beta all in for 40 years
Look at those ribs
Every time I go to vet for dog jabs he comments on how nice to see a fit dog
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[foxdropper]

The glossy black lab ,third pic could do with a weight watchers season ticket mind .

 

[potshotpat]

Every dog I've ever had has been fed what I thought was a balanced commercial diet with a top up every Sunday of a tin of John west red salmon each. I've had twenty spaniels in forty years and my wife has just informed me did I know I've never trained the dogs to use a tin opener .

 

[sh1kar]

Err no. It’s how they are sitting

 

[sh1kar]

The glossy black lab ,third pic could do with a weight watchers season ticket mind .

See my last

Even the HWV looks fat in one

 

[sh1kar]

Only ever fed beta all in for 40 years
Look at those ribs
Every time I go to vet for dog jabs he comments on how nice to see a fit dog
S

No three he’s pointing a doe hole up in the cover crop

 

[sh1kar]

Err no. It’s how they are sitting

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Pic no one. That’s what a lab living outdoors should look like. Massive neck and mane

 

[foxdropper]

@sh1kar
Fine examples sir

 

[Buchan]

Strange that mr Buchan hasnt defended his post .Maybe thought better of it

Not strange, just a long day and a desire to have my tea and walk my dog who, like all my dogs, has been fed kibble. It's convenient and the dogs are healthy. What you feed is up to you and if your dogs are healthy that's fine. What sika asked was a recommnedation, I couldn't give one for the reasons I listed.

 

[foxdropper]

Would you say no to any form of raw or have you a dislike of it full stop .

 

[Buchan]

Would you say no to any form of raw or have you a dislike of it full stop .

My advice is don't feed it. That's not to say that the big puppy eyes don't get the odd bit when Im trimming a carcass! Feeding what you've shot is probably fine - you've seen it and asessed it. The minced bits are far more subject to contamination and it going wrong (such as the 100 cats with TB form raw venison).

Mostly folk feed it because' "It's natural like" when natural would be the whole carcass, skin guts, the lot. That doesn't fit with most people's clean homes, and kibble is very convenient.

The only food I really dislike is Cesar or the other "Premium" slop in a tin. Oh and the meusli brand from many years ago - boy did that mess the teeth up

 

[foxdropper]

I feed only what I shoot ,I prepare it ,feed it and stand over while it’s eaten , removing anything not eaten straight away and binning it .
I think the raw you refer to is from firms supplying such where stuff is refrozen and quality dubious .
35 years of terriers on raw and never a gut problem .
Smaller game is fed with a good amount of either feather or fur attached .Never feed guts whole but have fed tripe in small amounts .
Lights on occasion with par boiled veg minced together or it isn’t eaten .

 

[trev]

Paleo Ridge, is what we use, and we are very happy with it, the dogs like it too.

 

[patrickstar]

any good raw feed suppliers any recommendations im wanting to put my dogs onto raw thanks

hi mate
I use Middleton raw feeds of manchester delivery free and the meat is excellent check there website out.

 

[Bo Diddley]

Dogs were likely domesticated approximately 20000 years ago, whereas cooking food has been going on for 400000 plus years. That would suggest that cooked food has most likely always made up part of the diet of what we know as dogs.

I always think it's sketchy to predict what happened 20000 - 400000 years ago, the old memory isn't what it once was nowadays! I feed a bit of everything and my dogs are hard & fit!

 

[countrryboy]

A mate was on about changing his dogs on to raw and the vet advised against it, said they have atleast 1 dog a week often more with bones stuck inside them.

Personally i don't really care wot others feed there dogs so have nothing to gain either way.
I feed my mob on dry food and honestly can't fault their working in the past when i've had more time i've seen the dogs picking up close to 100 days a season if a few grouse about

But if raw food really is the miracle feed some claim it to be why do the top FT trainers or greyhound kennels not all feed raw, that extra few % could mean the difference between 1st or not.
Most kennels just feed dry food, granted a lot will be because of logistics having so many dogs but if it truely did make a difference they would feed there top competion dogs on it.
The fact most don't says any benefits are small if not in the owners head

Even show kennels not sure how many of them feed raw, granted dog not working but any coat/health benefits wold still benefit them.

Each to there own and as long as ur dog is happy and healthy i don't really care wot others feed

 

[foxdropper]

Because if you get anywhere in the dog world mate ,you are sponsored by feed companies and yes it’s very much easier to top a bowl up with sawdust than it is to prepare a balanced raw feed from scratch .
Look at hounds from any kennel fed the old way .They run all day ,mostly at above a trot rate which would see your gundog fat out Im afraid .All the performance bull breeds I know of in the States are raw fed .
Its a choice mate that’s all but for a vet to come onto a shooting forum stating what he did is out of order to me without putting facts surrounding its correct use which I doubt very much he knows about being a sawdust feeder .
I get pleasure out of providing the raw and feeding it as nature intended .

A mate was on about changing his dogs on to raw and the vet advised against it, said they have atleast 1 dog a week often more with bones stuck inside them.

Personally i don't really care wot others feed there dogs so have nothing to gain either way.
I feed my mob on dry food and honestly can't fault their working in the past when i've had more time i've seen the dogs picking up close to 100 days a season if a few grouse about

But if raw food really is the miracle feed some claim it to be why do the top FT trainers or greyhound kennels not all feed raw, that extra few % could mean the difference between 1st or not.
Most kennels just feed dry food, granted a lot will be because of logistics having so many dogs but if it truely did make a difference they would feed there top competion dogs on it.
The fact most don't says any benefits are small if not in the owners head

Even show kennels not sure how many of them feed raw, granted dog not working but any coat/health benefits wold still benefit them.

Each to there own and as long as ur dog is happy and healthy i don't really care wot others feed

 

[countrryboy]

So are u really comparing the stamina of a fox hound to a lab and claiming that is all purely down to feed??
Nothing to do with breeding or conditioning beforehand???

I know of small gun hound packs that feed hounds on dry feed

Plenty pointers fed on dry food will run pretty hard all day.
Is there any need for a lab to run all day at troting pace?
Buggers would spend all day out of shot range.
Ive worked sawdust fed labs and spaniels and rough shooting/mooching about is probably the hardst/longest for stamina as working all day and the dogs do just fine, not sure how feeding them on 'wobder' food would put any more birds in the bag

U don't think any top trainer would even feed his 1 or 2 top comp dogs on raw if it truely made a difference, hell 1 trainer was cross breeding his dogs to get an edge.

A vet has gave his personal opinion, fair play to him coming on here doing that, i know a few vets that also advise against raw, and advising me does not benefit them in any way as i'd never buy food off them anyway, infact don't think they even sell it at local vets.

I really dunno why raw feeders get their knickers in such a twist about raw if anybody critises it.
Plenty of info out there for folk to make there own informed decision 1 way or other

 

[foxdropper]

So are u really comparing the stamina of a fox hound to a lab and claiming that is all purely down to feed??
Nothing to do with breeding or conditioning beforehand???

I know of small gun hound packs that feed hounds on dry feed

Plenty pointers fed on dry food will run pretty hard all day.
Is there any need for a lab to run all day at troting pace?
Buggers would spend all day out of shot range.
Ive worked sawdust fed labs and spaniels and rough shooting/mooching about is probably the hardst/longest for stamina as working all day and the dogs do just fine, not sure how feeding them on 'wobder' food would put any more birds in the bag

U don't think any top trainer would even feed his 1 or 2 top comp dogs on raw if it truely made a difference, hell 1 trainer was cross breeding his dogs to get an edge.

A vet has gave his personal opinion, fair play to him coming on here doing that, i know a few vets that also advise against raw, and advising me does not benefit them in any way as i'd never buy food off them anyway, infact don't think they even sell it at local vets.

I really dunno why raw feeders get their knickers in such a twist about raw if anybody critises it.
Plenty of info out there for folk to make there own informed decision 1 way or other

You condition any dog to run all day on sawdust mate and I’m all ears .Yes the vet gave an opinion but there’s two sides to it and he either dosnt know the best way to feed raw without causing stomach upset or he’s not really the vet he pertains to be and has another motive for rubbishing it .
I don’t really care what others feed likewise but for a person of so called standing to decry raw because he’s no first hand knowledge ,same as the other chap on this thread is out of order .No knickers in a twist here bud and as you say plenty of info for people to choose ,just freeze and defrost in a fridge ,those are the rules .
To rate any gun dog as a performance dog sort of says it all to me but you crack on
There are plenty of working dog owners feeding raw mate ,proper working dogs not your peg dogs or scurry champions .
A raw fed dog to me stands out mostly at a glance and confirmed after an hour of work .Can you say same of sawdust fed dogs .

 

[Ratel]

Horses for courses, hounds fed on dry food never run as hard as those fed traditionally ie 1/2 raw, 1/2 porridge (designed by their huntsman).
I always fed my labs and spaniels raw but with some boiled veg hot in the winter, and twice a day as where I picked up was hard country running all day. My present little monster is fed raw in morning, hypoallergenic grain free kibble in evening. This because I fed some raw by a firm mentioned on here and had terrible gut trouble. My raw consists of frozen game and venison, minced into meal sized packages and frozen.