roestalker
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6 pointer. Spot on
Ready for DSC2 ?????
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Spot On! The standard required is clearly specified, so why do folks always feel they should add to it?
Its not up to AW's to set the bar or ensure the candidate meets their own requirements, they are there to simply witness the candidate and ensure they meet each of the written criteria in the ICR..
In this case 3.3 clearly specifies which lymph nodes need to be located and inspected.
No where does the Level 2 claim to be some sort of advanced standard; it simply allows a candidate to demonstrate they can stalk, shoot, gralloch/inspect 3 deer to the required standard to submit the carcasses into the food chain while complying with the various rules/regulations and best practice.
It is not designed to exclude people from the sport by setting super high standards, but is akin to the driving test, ie a minimum standard.
Once a person has the Level 2, there is nothing to stop them gaining further expedience/training for their own personal development and I certainly encourage that, but that should not be a mandatory for people to go stalking..
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Rhinoshot
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Hello 6 pointer.... I was recently watching a gralloching dvd from Donnington deer services, David Stretton I think is the guy, well known of course. But I believe he made an error in that video on the naming of the glands. I have not studied my gralloching vocabulary anywhere else yet, but, he opens the area under the lower jaw (calling it the maxilla) and finds the glands. Calling them the submaxillary glands. The maxilla is the upper jaw. The mandible is the lower jaw. I was going to drop him an email about this for some feedback. But if we are talking about the glands under the lower jaw, then they are the submandibular. There are no such thing as submaxillary glands in humans... basic head and neck anatomy would tell me that there is none in deer also. A quick google question would tell me this for sure.. but I don't need to google what the glands are under the lower jaw( mandible) please let me know if I am making some fundamental error here. ( I have studied human anatomy and head and neck anatomy in detail ) I have just realised another error which I have fallen into myself just now. they are not glands at all. They are nodes, lymph nodes. A gland is defined as a collection of tissue that secrets ... this is my very poor definition going back many years) If this was a formal exam and I was the examiner I would have to fail a candidate on both counts!! The submandibular glands are salivary glands. He must be talking about submandibular lymph nodes. I feel however a more accurate description would be cervical lymph nodes, perhaps better still to say superfilcial cervial lymph nodes!!!( even though they are found in the submandibular area) I will have to research my new term!!!! But submaxillary glands has to be incorrect!! Hope this helps people. Cheers
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Yes the terminology is incorrect, but it seems to have stuck, and permeated the whole industry. I think it comes via the meat inspection industry.
See:
http://www.thedeerinitiative.co.uk/uploads/guides/159.pdf
I agree the correct term is submandibular.
Rhinoshot
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Cheers for that Apache...
Interesting how the terms have been mixed over the years. Also interesting reading on what is actually required in the DSC2. Im sure in writing up my portfolio if I mis-named then it would make little difference. I need to read through in greater detail what is really required in the portfolio as I am proabbly looking too deeply at what standard is expected etc. I have found today some references to the submaxillary nodes ( referring to the submandibular) in some very old human anatomy books and it seems it is an archaic term which has held on in the deer world. Still these different bodies and organisations should use correct terminology as should we if we are going to use them at all. Thanks for the link.. interesting reading.
cheers
Nulli Secundus
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I'm really interested in this subject, as looking at this thread and many others here on SD it seems that each and every AW has a different interpretation of what is required by a Level 2 candidate to satisfy the AW that they are competent.
What is the requirement to become an AW? I am completing my LEVEL 2 portfolio as we speak and I would like to know what training and controls an AW has to go through to become an AW. Can anyone help me out please.
What is the requirement to become an AW? I am completing my LEVEL 2 portfolio as we speak and I would like to know what training and controls an AW has to go through to become an AW. Can anyone help me out please.
Erik Hamburger
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I have just completed the DSC2 stalks with three different AW's and asked all three the same question, if I needed to be able to name the Latin names. All three said no need to, as long as you know where to find them and can show me.
I than wrote the Latin names in my Candidate Narrative, which is a job you do at home, after the stalk.
So no need to worry.
To answer your questions, before then DSC2:
Number of deer: 9
Years experience deer stalking: 1
Number of grallochs (present/demo) 10-12 ish
Number of grallochs done on my own, unsupervised: 3-4
I than wrote the Latin names in my Candidate Narrative, which is a job you do at home, after the stalk.
So no need to worry.
To answer your questions, before then DSC2:
Number of deer: 9
Years experience deer stalking: 1
Number of grallochs (present/demo) 10-12 ish
Number of grallochs done on my own, unsupervised: 3-4
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