Gralloching help / mentiring

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Hi all,

Am in an unusual position as I have shot many deer, but have not been taught the “DSC2 way” of gralloching… I’ve done them myself for my personal consumption, but am planning to do DSC 2 and would like someone to show me how it’s done to spec: (I’m one of those “watch and copy” learners…)

I went on the intermediate deer stalking course BASC, but no deer about therefore none shot so unable to do the demo. Gutted!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Phil
 
kayakcox12 said:
I went on the intermediate deer stalking course BASC, but no deer about therefore none shot so unable to do the demo.
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That’s a bit of a poor show, when I was involved in these we did them at a deer park to ensure that we had carcasses to work on. The hands-on gralloching used to be a big part of it, what do they do on the course if they don’t have carcasses?

If you are a BDS Member maybe take a look to the Mentoring Schemes in Norfolk and Berkshire?
 
I think There was a guy on here who advertised for help on park culls and basically needed people just doing the gralloching and carcass prep. Have a look in the opportunities pages it would be a fair while ago now but may be offering it again this year.
 
That’s it. Post from last year here
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Available: Thread 'Park culling'

Hi all,

Not stalking as such but I have availability for someone to come and shoot in a park environment. I've got another 12 reds to remove out of a park I manage. This is more aimed at novice stalkers who want an opportunity to get some knifework and gralloching practise in if you're moving towards DSC level 2 or maybe someone that wants to shoot their own deer for the freezer with 100% success. Full tuition can be given if required with the gralloching and more than happy to spend extra time with you before or after the shooting to give advice on id'ing, how to age them approximately...
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kayakcox12 said:
Hi all,

Am in an unusual position as I have shot many deer, but have not been taught the “DSC2 way” of gralloching… I’ve done them myself for my personal consumption, but am planning to do DSC 2 and would like someone to show me how it’s done to spec: (I’m one of those “watch and copy” learners…)

I went on the intermediate deer stalking course BASC, but no deer about therefore none shot so unable to do the demo. Gutted!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Phil
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Depends where and what deer you are shooting all the nodes are the same but a small muntjac (lots in Bedford) the
"parts" you are looking for are tiny. One good thing about muntjac is you very rarely find one with anything wrong with them compared to Roe (lots of pictures "shot this Roe" what do you think of this )
If you are regularly shooting a few then split what you are looking for, a neck shot one will leave you a nice clean place to check all in the chest as a H/L shot on a muntjac will be awash with blood making nodes harder to find also depending on the shot you might not find them! It is not a race when you are doing it, I laid out what was left H/L shot muntjac in my small drag tray on the tailgate nice height to show the inspection. Use all around you to make it easier.
 
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kayakcox12 said:
Hi all,

Am in an unusual position as I have shot many deer, but have not been taught the “DSC2 way” of gralloching… I’ve done them myself for my personal consumption, but am planning to do DSC 2 and would like someone to show me how it’s done to spec: (I’m one of those “watch and copy” learners…)

I went on the intermediate deer stalking course BASC, but no deer about therefore none shot so unable to do the demo. Gutted!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Phil
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The DSC way? Pah 😂

Deer are like big rabbits Simple as, no need to make it harder than it is, as long as you know what you are looking at / for you’ll be fine!
 
After candidates have finished sitting the level 1 with me, we normally talk about going on to Level 2. I get the same question every time. How do I gralloch for Level 2. Or the other scenario is, I go to witness a good time served Professional. They know exactly where there beasts are, they stalk good and shoot the beast no problem. Then they start gralloching. I see this person making a pigs ear out of it. I ask if that is how they normally gralloch. The answer is always the same. No, this is what the guy in the pub said I had to do for you!!!! They usually get a roasting from me. The thing is , there are little differences in how we gralloch. Some may start at the front and others at the back. All depending on the circumstances. It doesn't matter which way you all do it, as long as the carcase is fit for human consumption. That is the aim for us all. J
 
As others have said no right way, but probably plenty of wrongs ways. Key is not allowing the gut or bladder contents from contaminating the carcass. You also need to consider how you are going to extract the carcass, and what facilities you have available. A give minute walk with a muntjac from the larder is very different proposition to a 2km drag through wet boggy Scottish hill with a red stag or hind. In the later opening up the throst and chest cavity might not be the best idea.

The best practice guides are helpful in giving you an overview of what is expected.

Some can perform a complete gralloch in a full white dinner jacket, or best dinner dress, with a perfectly clean carcass, and be fully presentable immediately afterwards at the dinner table. I am not one of those.

Gralloching - Wild Deer Best Practice Guidance

Aim The aim of this guide is to provide practical guidance on the initial stages of preparing a carcass immediately after the deer has been shot and death confirmed.* The BP Guide Carcass Inspection should be viewed as an essential accompaniment to this guide. Introduction The purpose of...
bestpracticeguides.org.uk bestpracticeguides.org.uk
 
Deerkeeper said:
That’s a bit of a poor show, when I was involved in these we did them at a deer park to ensure that we had carcasses to work on. The hands-on gralloching used to be a big part of it, what do they do on the course if they don’t have carcasses?

If you are a BDS Member maybe take a look to the Mentoring Schemes in Norfolk and Berkshire?
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bds.org.uk

BDS Training & Mentoring Scheme - The British Deer Society

BDS Training and Mentoring SchemeOne-to-one individual training in all aspects of stalking and shooting deer, gralloching, transportation and larder operations leading toward a carcass hanging in chilled storage ready to enter the food chain Photo by: Martin HeathFIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE SCHEME...
bds.org.uk bds.org.uk

I f you are lucky you’ll get @Deerkeeper guiding/mentoring you not me! Either way you’ll get hands on experience on deer you have shot yourself, unless you are really unlucky.
 
I had the same issue last year so contacted BASC to see if I could get a mentor just for the gralloch,,waste of time that was.

I would happily show you but alas I am in Mid Wales. I was lucky enough to pick up some ground with fallow on and basically learnt on the job so to speak. The main area I had to swat up on was the node inspection. With the bigger deer its much easier generally as everything is bigger so nodes are easier as is work around the anal canal (no filthy replies please gents :lol:).

Get onto you tube and look at the BASC vids and stuff like Jelen etc as there are some good guides. As long as you can find the glands (apologies if I misspell these) in the head (sub maxillary and retropharyngeal) and the messenteric chain then you should be ok as long as you can identify where some of the others (portal, gastric, medistinal) are.
 
There are other routes to the same final rating - Trained Hunter - with NGO Game Meat Hygiene Level 2 Course.
(Just wait 'till I get my tin hat and flack jacket on...).
 
Gosh , So they want all doing it the same way exactly now ? Not being funny i do it different ways frequently depending on the situation depends on circumstance . Mind you it was 3 minimum ( and most put 5 plus in because it was common to be told " gather some more evidence ) and no fenced in pet ones !
Lets be Fair more and more professionals are not even doing level 2, because its not required . That includes entry to the BASC Arran Scheme
 
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