Refusal advice

[SC3]

Do you think, in my letter, I should make the point that if public safety was at risk, then why have I not heard from the Police myself about this? Should I also ask what can I undergo, to prove that I am not a danger to the public? Are there any courses they would recommend?

What do you think?

 

[Liveonce]

Do you think, in my letter, I should make the point that if public safety was at risk, then why have I not heard from the Police myself about this? Should I also ask what can I undergo, to prove that I am not a danger to the public? Are there any courses they would recommend?

What do you think?

I would ask for full disclosure as to the reason they refused the application and opportunity to discuss it with them.
Keep it simple.

The anger management course in Plymouth did not work out so well.

 

[gixer1]

Opinion,hearsay, evidence based on the balance of probabilities can all be used and it doesn't need to be convictions or charges. From what the Op has told us it all seems a bit thin and is probably worth appealing. But the decision has been made and the only way to get it overturned is to appeal to the Crown Court.

From first hand experience - that’s incorrect, you do not need to go to crown court.

I do agree, info is thin on the ground, however if the info is correct, then no one should have a cert grant withheld for this reason, if they were then all the anti-shooting brigade need do is accuse any shooter of assault etc. and voila, the end of shooting.

 

[VSS]

I'm putting a letter together, so far I've just gone onto page 2, this will be what's sent to the firearms licencing and shared with the FEO.

Keep it concise, to 1 page if possible. Don't ramble on. All the impact of a letter is in the first page. Readers lose interest after that, and stop taking you seriously.

 

[gixer1]

Do you think, in my letter, I should make the point that if public safety was at risk, then why have I not heard from the Police myself about this? Should I also ask what can I undergo, to prove that I am not a danger to the public? Are there any courses they would recommend?

What do you think?

Wrote to the CC, or even better, make an appointment to meet them, you may find that are pleasant to talk to and it will do wonders for him to meet you and make a judgement on your mannerism and character, that may be all it takes!

 

[SC3]

CC? Chief Constable?

 

[Liveonce]

Keep it concise, to 1 page if possible. Don't ramble on. All the impact of a letter is in the first page. Readers lose interest after that, and stop taking you seriously.

Plus FEOs are busy so may not even read past the first paragraph

 

[SC3]

Well if I do get nowhere, there'll be a Brattonsound ST3 going......which the FEO told me to get to speed the process up.....that cost me a lot of money.

 

[Frank Homes]

From first hand experience - that’s incorrect, you do not need to go to crown court.

I do agree, info is thin on the ground, however if the info is correct, then no one should have a cert grant withheld for this reason, if they were then all the anti-shooting brigade need do is accuse any shooter of assault etc. and voila, the end of shooting.

It's very unlikely that the person who made the decision to refuse the application is going to change his mind because you write him a a nice letter.He has all the information from the Feo who even probably recommended you.That is why you have to invoke the appeal process by writing to the Crown Court. Only then might the decision be reviewed before it gets to court.

 

[SC3]

It's very unlikely that the person who made the decision to refuse the application is going to change his mind because you write him a a nice letter.He has all the information from the Feo who even probably recommended you.That is why you have to invoke the appeal process by writing to the Crown Court. Only then might the decision be reviewed before it gets to court.

So, without it actually going to court, do you recommend starting that process then, in the hope they issue a grant before it reaches court?

 

[Liveonce]

So, without it actually going to court, do you recommend starting that process then, in the hope they issue a grant before it reaches court?

think you only have a certain number of days in which you can appeal once receiving official notification of the refusal to grant.

will be in the act somewhere, possibly

2A notice of appeal shall be given within twenty-one days after the date on which the appellant has received notice of the decision of the chief officer of police by which he is aggrieved.

 

[MAH]

putting a letter together, so

I would not do that.
You need a conversation with the FLO 1st.
You need a better understanding of why they have refused your application.
M

 

[SC3]

think you only have a certain number of days in which you can appeal once receiving official notification of the refusal to grant.

will be in the act somewhere

21 days.

 

[SC3]

I would not do that.
You need a conversation with the FLO 1st.
You need a better understanding of why they have refused your application.
M

The enquiry officer I met, or the licencing officer who issued the refusal?

 

[Liveonce]

how was you informed of the refusal?

 

[MAH]

The enquiry officer I met, or the licencing officer who issued the refusal?

Good question.
If you have already had a face to face with FEO, call him, ask if you can have a meeting to discuss. He may say yes, but you need to talk to the FLO.
M

 

[gixer1]

It's very unlikely that the person who made the decision to refuse the application is going to change his mind because you write him a a nice letter.He has all the information from the Feo who even probably recommended you.That is why you have to invoke the appeal process by writing to the Crown Court. Only then might the decision be reviewed before it gets to court.

Sorry, again - that’s incorrect, as I said I have been involved in something similar first hand and a meeting with the CC and letters can and do help in some cases.

Obviously it depends on the actual Firearms people involved though.

 

[Greenmist]

Sorry to say it but regards police they can say no on allegations made if they deem it credible

How can it be credible when the op wasn't even questioned/interviewed about said allegation

 

[Greenmist]

The person is found " not guilty " in crown court and I dont think we have a more than the two verdicts in the UK ?

I believe Scotland has "not proven"

 

[Bowland blades]

I believe Scotland has "not proven"

yeah they do to be fair i forgot that but England / Wales dont