REM 700 help

[MarinePMI]

<chuckle> My long actioned commercial FN Mauser, chambered in .308, now in 22-250, self-identifies as a short action. But alas, it is a long action.

There are no absolutes in the world of firearms. The OP asked about a stock fitting a Rem 700 rifle in .243. And the answer is, whatever the action is, not the cartridge (despite what some would say). It being chambered in .243 makes it highly likely it's a short action, but not absolutely certain. As someone previously stated, the M24 is a long actioned Remington, that was fielded as both 308 and 300WM. In fact, the majority of M-24's were chambered in .308.

So again, there are no absolutes, and details matter.

 

[MarinePMI]

Light ready for those that stay awake worrying at night !

It simply isn’t possible to give specific numbers such as those bolded above to say what is and isn’t a short action cartridge. Those are general guidelines, but there are many exceptions.

Common Rifle Cartridges, and Their Action Lengths​

Cartridge	Action Length	Cartridge Overall Length (in)
.17 Hornet	Short Action	1.72
.17 WSM	Short Action	1.72
.17 HMR	Short Action	1.35
.204 Ruger	Short Action	2.26
.22lr	Short Action	1.00
.22 Nosler	Short Action	2.26
.220 Swift	Short Action	2.68
.224 Valkyrie	Short Action	2.26
.22-250	Short Action	2.35
.22 Creedmoor	Short Action	2.83
.22 WMR	Short Action	1.35
.223 / 5.56	Short Action	2.26
.22 Hornet	Short Action	1.72
.222 Remington	Short Action	2.13
.243 Winchester	Short Action	2.71
6mm BR	Short Action	2.44
.240 Weatherby Magnum	Long Action	3.10
6mm Remington	Short Action	2.81
6mm Creedmoor	Short Action	2.80
.25-06 Remington	Long Action	3.25
.257 Weatherby Magnum	Long Action	3.21
6.5 Creedmoor	Short Action	2.83
6.5 PRC	Short Action	2.96
.260 Remington	Short Action	2.80
6.5-300 Weatherby Mag	Magnum Action	3.60
.26 Nosler	Long Action	3.34
6.5-284 Norma Match	Long Action	3.23
6.5 x 55 Swedish Mauser	Long Action	3.15
.264 Winchester Magnum	Long Action	3.34
6.5 Weatherby RPM	Long Action	3.34
6.5 Grendel	Short Action	2.26
.270 Winchester	Long Action	3.34
.270 WSM	Short Action	2.86
.270 Weatherby Magnum	Long Action	3.25
6.8 Western	Short Action	2.96
6.8 Remington SPC	Short Action	2.26
.27 Nosler	Long Action	3.34
7mm-08 Remington	Short Action	2.80
7mm Rem Mag	Long Action	3.28
.28 Nosler	Long Action	3.34
.280 Ackley Improved	Long Action	3.33
.280 Remington	Long Action	3.33
7mm Weatherby Magnum	Long Action	3.25
7 SAUM	Short Action	2.83
7 STW	Magnum Action	3.59
7mm Mauser	Long Action	3.07
7 WSM	Short Action	2.85
.308 Winchester	Short Action	2.80
.300 Winchester Magnum	Long Action	3.34
.30-06 Springfield	Long Action	3.34
.300 WSM	Short Action	2.86
.300 Weatherby Magnum	Long Action	3.56
.300 PRC	Magnum Action	3.70
.300 RUM	Magnum Action	3.60
.30-30 Winchester	Short Action	2.55
.300 Blackout	Short Action	2.26
7.62 x 39mm	Short Action	2.21
.30 Nosler	Long Action	3.34
.300 Ruger (RCM)	Short Action	2.83
.30-378 Weatherby Mag	Magnum Action	3.69
.325 WSM	Short Action	2.86
.338 Win Mag	Long Action	3.34
.338 Lapua Magnum	Magnum Action	3.68
.338 Federal	Short Action	2.75
.340 Weatherby Magnum	Magnum Action	3.60
.33 Nosler	Long Action	3.34
.338-378 Weatherby Mag	Magnum Action	3.65
.338 RUM	Magnum Action	3.60
.350 Legend	Short Action	2.25
.35 Whelen	Long Action	3.34
9.3 x 62mm Mauser	Long Action	3.23
.375 H&H	Magnum Action	3.60
.375 Ruger	Long Action	3.34
.378 Weatherby Magnum	Magnum Action	3.65
.416 Ruger	Long Action	3.34
.416 Remington Magnum	Magnum Action	3.60
.416 Rigby	Magnum Action	3.75
.444 Marlin	Short Action	2.55
.450 Bushmaster	Short Action	2.26
.45-70 Govt	Short Action	2.55
.458 Win Mag	Long Action	3.34
.50 BMG	50BMG Action	5.45

You Still awake !
I 'am half asleep already


What is a short-action rifle? The term “short action” refers to a rifle designed to accept cartridges up to approximately 2.8″ in length, or similar to the length of a .308 Winchester. However, specific rifle designs sometimes accept slightly longer cartridges up to 2.955″ in a short action.

What is a long-action rifle? The term “long action” means a rifle that accepts cartridges between approximately 2.8″ and 3.6″. A common example of a long action is the .30-06 or the .270 Winchester. Long actions are sometimes referred to as “standard-length action.”

What Happens if an Action is Too Short for the Cartridge?​

As you can see in the image above, this cartridge will not load in this rifle. This is a short-action rifle, with a cartridge that is too long to fit. The back of this cartridge is pushed all the way back against the bolt face, but the rear wall of the magazine, but the front of the bullet can’t fit down into the mag well. Even if this rifle were chambered for this round, it wouldn’t load because the cartridges wouldn’t fit in the action or the magazine.
This is a common issue when selecting a VLD bullet on a cartridge that is very close to the limit for the action.

Suppose you hand load a cartridge such as the 6.8 Western. Its cartridge overall length is 2.955″, which is right on the edge of what we could possibly call a “short-action” cartridge. You select a Berger VLD hunting bullet which is very long and slender, and you want to seat that bullet far out from the mouth of the case for better accuracy on your particular setup. It’s possible that the cartridge may not chamber in your particular rifle if the action is too short.


Each rifle will be slightly different in how long the “short action” will be. It may chamber in one rifle, but not another.

Now don't lie there tossing and turning dreaming thinking about are you a SA or a LA! or or you a Magnum big boy

The top rifle in that picture looks to be a Savage...which is neither a long or short action. It's a Savage action. The bolt baffle determines the bolt throw, not the action in a Savage. It's one of the reasons they are inexpensive rifles...they only make one basic action across all their Model 10's/110's/11's/111's. Just the bolt heads and bolt baffles change.

ETA: BTW, if you ever have to run a .223 Savage in an AICS magazine'ed chassis, you'll have to grind another .25" off the baffle to get the bolt throw long enough to feed the magazine. Not a big deal since they are sintered metal. Grinds off fairly easy.

 

[ejg]

I have had a guy come in with 6.5CM in a long action, my Howa 6,5 PRC is in a long action from factory.
The 6.5 x55, 8x57, 7x57, 6.5 prc, 284 win would suit a medium action. I haven't had one yet but made stocks with Hawkins medium mag systems.
The 243 will in all likelihood be in a short action.
edi

 

[Muir]

For years there was no Long or short M-70 Winchester. It was just a Model 70. Arent' Tikka T3 just one action length? ~Muir

 

[Bowland blades]

someone should tell tikka all about action sizes lol

 

[168BTHPM]

<chuckle> My long actioned commercial FN Mauser, chambered in .308, now in 22-250, self-identifies as a short action. But alas, it is a long action.

There are no absolutes in the world of firearms. The OP asked about a stock fitting a Rem 700 rifle in .243. And the answer is, whatever the action is, not the cartridge (despite what some would say). It being chambered in .243 makes it highly likely it's a short action, but not absolutely certain. As someone previously stated, the M24 is a long actioned Remington, that was fielded as both 308 and 300WM. In fact, the majority of M-24's were chambered in .308.

So again, there are no absolutes, and details matter.

I am guessing @Tim.243 has never seen a Remington 40-XB either. All of them were short action regardless of caliber. I have them in 7mm Rem Mag, .300WM, .30-338, 6.5 Rem Mag and .30-06. They can be loaded but a live cartridge can't be ejected without pulling the bolt out.

Let's also not forget the National Match M1 Garands that were chambered in .308, and all Winchester pre-64 model 70's were long actions.

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

<chuckle> My long actioned commercial FN Mauser, chambered in .308, now in 22-250, self-identifies as a short action. But alas, it is a long action.

There are no absolutes in the world of firearms. The OP asked about a stock fitting a Rem 700 rifle in .243. And the answer is, whatever the action is, not the cartridge (despite what some would say). It being chambered in .243 makes it highly likely it's a short action, but not absolutely certain. As someone previously stated, the M24 is a long actioned Remington, that was fielded as both 308 and 300WM. In fact, the majority of M-24's were chambered in .308.

So again, there are no absolutes, and details matter.

Exactly my point above ^

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

For years there was no Long or short M-70 Winchester. It was just a Model 70. Arent' Tikka T3 just one action length? ~Muir

They are. My .308 is LA. Same as if you had one in .243. It'd be LA. To answer the OP with SA based on the cartridge is silly

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

If that makes you feel better that is fine, however the facts are it is a S/A. Do you care to wager?....I will except the difference in Euros as part of the win.

Well Timmy boy, I may have lost the battle, but I won the war

You cant just state a stock/action is SA based solely on the cartridge.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Light ready for those that stay awake worrying at night !

It simply isn’t possible to give specific numbers such as those bolded above to say what is and isn’t a short action cartridge. Those are general guidelines, but there are many exceptions.

Common Rifle Cartridges, and Their Action Lengths​

Cartridge	Action Length	Cartridge Overall Length (in)
.17 Hornet	Short Action	1.72
.17 WSM	Short Action	1.72
.17 HMR	Short Action	1.35
.204 Ruger	Short Action	2.26
.22lr	Short Action	1.00
.22 Nosler	Short Action	2.26
.220 Swift	Short Action	2.68
.224 Valkyrie	Short Action	2.26
.22-250	Short Action	2.35
.22 Creedmoor	Short Action	2.83
.22 WMR	Short Action	1.35
.223 / 5.56	Short Action	2.26
.22 Hornet	Short Action	1.72
.222 Remington	Short Action	2.13
.243 Winchester	Short Action	2.71
6mm BR	Short Action	2.44
.240 Weatherby Magnum	Long Action	3.10
6mm Remington	Short Action	2.81
6mm Creedmoor	Short Action	2.80
.25-06 Remington	Long Action	3.25
.257 Weatherby Magnum	Long Action	3.21
6.5 Creedmoor	Short Action	2.83
6.5 PRC	Short Action	2.96
.260 Remington	Short Action	2.80
6.5-300 Weatherby Mag	Magnum Action	3.60
.26 Nosler	Long Action	3.34
6.5-284 Norma Match	Long Action	3.23
6.5 x 55 Swedish Mauser	Long Action	3.15
.264 Winchester Magnum	Long Action	3.34
6.5 Weatherby RPM	Long Action	3.34
6.5 Grendel	Short Action	2.26
.270 Winchester	Long Action	3.34
.270 WSM	Short Action	2.86
.270 Weatherby Magnum	Long Action	3.25
6.8 Western	Short Action	2.96
6.8 Remington SPC	Short Action	2.26
.27 Nosler	Long Action	3.34
7mm-08 Remington	Short Action	2.80
7mm Rem Mag	Long Action	3.28
.28 Nosler	Long Action	3.34
.280 Ackley Improved	Long Action	3.33
.280 Remington	Long Action	3.33
7mm Weatherby Magnum	Long Action	3.25
7 SAUM	Short Action	2.83
7 STW	Magnum Action	3.59
7mm Mauser	Long Action	3.07
7 WSM	Short Action	2.85
.308 Winchester	Short Action	2.80
.300 Winchester Magnum	Long Action	3.34
.30-06 Springfield	Long Action	3.34
.300 WSM	Short Action	2.86
.300 Weatherby Magnum	Long Action	3.56
.300 PRC	Magnum Action	3.70
.300 RUM	Magnum Action	3.60
.30-30 Winchester	Short Action	2.55
.300 Blackout	Short Action	2.26
7.62 x 39mm	Short Action	2.21
.30 Nosler	Long Action	3.34
.300 Ruger (RCM)	Short Action	2.83
.30-378 Weatherby Mag	Magnum Action	3.69
.325 WSM	Short Action	2.86
.338 Win Mag	Long Action	3.34
.338 Lapua Magnum	Magnum Action	3.68
.338 Federal	Short Action	2.75
.340 Weatherby Magnum	Magnum Action	3.60
.33 Nosler	Long Action	3.34
.338-378 Weatherby Mag	Magnum Action	3.65
.338 RUM	Magnum Action	3.60
.350 Legend	Short Action	2.25
.35 Whelen	Long Action	3.34
9.3 x 62mm Mauser	Long Action	3.23
.375 H&H	Magnum Action	3.60
.375 Ruger	Long Action	3.34
.378 Weatherby Magnum	Magnum Action	3.65
.416 Ruger	Long Action	3.34
.416 Remington Magnum	Magnum Action	3.60
.416 Rigby	Magnum Action	3.75
.444 Marlin	Short Action	2.55
.450 Bushmaster	Short Action	2.26
.45-70 Govt	Short Action	2.55
.458 Win Mag	Long Action	3.34
.50 BMG	50BMG Action	5.45

You Still awake !
I 'am half asleep already


What is a short-action rifle? The term “short action” refers to a rifle designed to accept cartridges up to approximately 2.8″ in length, or similar to the length of a .308 Winchester. However, specific rifle designs sometimes accept slightly longer cartridges up to 2.955″ in a short action.

What is a long-action rifle? The term “long action” means a rifle that accepts cartridges between approximately 2.8″ and 3.6″. A common example of a long action is the .30-06 or the .270 Winchester. Long actions are sometimes referred to as “standard-length action.”

What Happens if an Action is Too Short for the Cartridge?​

As you can see in the image above, this cartridge will not load in this rifle. This is a short-action rifle, with a cartridge that is too long to fit. The back of this cartridge is pushed all the way back against the bolt face, but the rear wall of the magazine, but the front of the bullet can’t fit down into the mag well. Even if this rifle were chambered for this round, it wouldn’t load because the cartridges wouldn’t fit in the action or the magazine.
This is a common issue when selecting a VLD bullet on a cartridge that is very close to the limit for the action.

Suppose you hand load a cartridge such as the 6.8 Western. Its cartridge overall length is 2.955″, which is right on the edge of what we could possibly call a “short-action” cartridge. You select a Berger VLD hunting bullet which is very long and slender, and you want to seat that bullet far out from the mouth of the case for better accuracy on your particular setup. It’s possible that the cartridge may not chamber in your particular rifle if the action is too short.


Each rifle will be slightly different in how long the “short action” will be. It may chamber in one rifle, but not another.

Now don't lie there tossing and turning dreaming thinking about are you a SA or a LA! or or you a Magnum big boy

Now that is what I call a definitive reply - thank you for posting it PO’G.
Of course there is also the reloader who gets carried away going for the absolute minimum jump then discovers, usually after loading a couple of hundred, that long action or short, the little darlings won’t even fit in his magazine never mind actually chamber.
My friend did this, only the once….

 

[Tim.243]

Well Timmy boy, I may have lost the battle, but I won the war

You cant just state a stock/action is SA based solely on the cartridge.

In the case of the OP's question it is a SA...the same as if it was a .222/.223 or do you dispute that?



There is a long list of the same S/A answers however only one rang your

Do you have a S/A or L/A Rem 700

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

In the case of the OP's question it is a SA...the same as if it was a .222/.223 or do you dispute that?



There is a long list of the same S/A answers however only one rang your

Do you have a S/A or L/A Rem 700

I have a tikka T3x in .308 you tell me what I have

 

[Tim.243]

I have a tikka T3x in .308 you tell me what I have

You have a .308 the parent case for a .243

Mine is in my profile which is not hidden

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

You have a .308 the parent case for a .243

Mine is in my profile which is not hidden

But inline with the OPs question, is my gun LA or SA?

 

[Tim.243]

But inline with the OPs question, is my gun LA or SA?

Ask as many times as you like....

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

Ask as many times as you like....

Exactly....Whether I've a 30.06 or a .223 in a tikka, its all the same length action which was my point. Just because OP is shooting an SA cartridge, doesn't mean its an SA action.
Anywho - Sounds like you've conceded so no hard feelings. You signature rings true for sure

 

[Tim.243]

Exactly....Whether I've a 30.06 or a .223 in a tikka, its all the same length action which was my point. Just because OP is shooting an SA cartridge, doesn't mean its an SA action.
Anywho - Sounds like you've conceded so no hard feelings. You signature rings true for sure

I did offer the wager but you bottled out...you could have been 50 Euros up....
Also the Rems are as you quoted..
Remmy SA is 6.5 inches and their long action is 7.35 inches which is the answer he got from the others.
Good job he didn't have a Tikka

 

[ppaynter]

What stock you going for?
I have had mine in an aics folding job and now it’s in an MDT Oryx.

Just sold my rem 783 with the oryx as i couldnt get on with it

 

[ppaynter]

Thanks guys

 

[TringSaint]

Just sold my rem 783 with the oryx as i couldnt get on with it

It’s not as nice as an aics, but weighs a fraction of an aics!