Remington to pay compensation to Sandy Hook victims

[palmer_mike]

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[gixer1]

@Foxyboy43
Like the humans that decided it would be a good idea to market guns to kids through video games, using a campaign that told them they weren't men if they didn't buy an AR-15, something which would empower them to "end the discussion" and make others "bow down"?

I have no problem with guns, but stuff like this just makes the industry look like a bunch of absolute cretins (which Remington is in this case) and does nothing to help the cause of sporting and hunting use.

I was brought up with tin can alley, the Lone Ranger etc….it doesn’t mean you have to turn into a homicidal maniac.

 

[gixer1]

If Toyota was embedding advertising in GTA to get kids pumped about the Prius' awesome discussion-ending running-people-over capabilities and saying that they were total pussies if they didn't buy one, then... maybe?

Besides, I don't think anyone is claiming that Remington is fully culpable, but they sure left themselves open to being partially blamed because of their terrible decisions.

Here’s hoping no one kills someone with a Yorkie bar!

 

[norcan]

I was brought up with tin can alley, the Lone Ranger etc….it doesn’t mean you have to turn into a homicidal maniac.

Obviously, but I still think it’s difficult to justify advertising that says to kids that you’re not a man unless you own an AR-15 (something which they’re assured will shut ‘em up real good) and direct product placement of this military rifle design in war-simulation video games.

What’s the benefit? How comfortable would you feel about your children forming their impressions of guns from this material?

 

[gixer1]

Obviously, but I still think it’s difficult to justify advertising that says to kids that you’re not a man unless you own an AR-15 (which they’re told will shut ‘em up real good) and direct product placement of this military rifle design in a war games.

What’s the benefit?

You also have to shoot enemies in the head with sniper rifles and throw Molotov cocktails at things in these games - it doesn’t mean you are ok to transfer these to real life - we need to stop blaming inanimate objects for crazy people that do abhorrent things.

If someone attacks and kills a child with a hammer are we going to ban those? After all…..

 

[norcan]

OK, so should there be ads for Molotov cocktails in the game which insist that if you don't buy a case of Vyacheslav's Finest — complete with the tagline "who's laughing now, bitch?"— you're essentially subhuman?

And if a hammer company was marketing their 20-oz ripper to the gamer demographic as a means to force people to "bow down" and to "instantly end the discussion", then yeah — I think it would be reasonable to ban that, too.

 

[gixer1]

OK, so should there be ads for Molotov cocktails in the game which insist that if you don't buy a case of Vyacheslav's Finest — complete with the tagline "who's laughing now, bitch?"— you're essentially subhuman?

Still blaming inanimate objects for peoples actions…..

 

[norcan]

I'm saying that Remington is not blameless here, and their material makes gun buyers seem like a bunch of dickless incels to the general public, which is not an image that helps anyone.

The issue isn't the object, it's the manipulative way it's being pushed on those who are far more likely than average to be young, insecure and socially isolated.

 

[Woodsmoke]

I think we need to stop legislating for the lowest common denominator and force individuals back into taking accountability for their own actions. Sure, the Remington ad' is crass, puerile, and in pretty bad taste to our eyes, but does it actually incite violence? I don't think so. But in any case, the likes of Lanza will find a way to commit their atrocities regardless

 

[norcan]

How much self-control, accountability and responsibility do you genuinely expect from a teenaged gamer?

Would you be OK with your kid being convinced that a gun is a great way to be a real man who can get people to shut up and bow down?

Is this really the impression we want people to have of what motivates people to own a rifle?

 

[gixer1]

How much self-control, accountability and responsibility do you genuinely expect from a teenaged gamer?

Would you be OK with your kid being convinced that a gun is a great way to be a real man who can get people to shut up and bow down?

Is this really the impression we want people to have of what motivates people to own a rifle?

I have more faith in my children than some do I guess…if your kids feels convinced by ads on video games then I feel parents are not doing their job.

 

[norcan]

OK, what about the parents who don't have the time, the means, or the ability to ensure that their children have the mental fortitude to completely resist emotionally-manipulative marketing? Seems like it would be quite the achievement to make them 100% immune to it.

Really, what's the upside to justifying Remington's behaviour here?

 

[Woodsmoke]

How much self-control, accountability and responsibility do you genuinely expect from a teenaged gamer?

I think you'll find that most of them don't turn into deranged mass murderers though?

 

[norcan]

Of course not. But at least one of them did, and it's difficult to argue the case that Remington didn't have at least some influence in the desire to obtain the means to do it.

 

[gixer1]

Of course not. But at least one of them did.

And you feel the computer game was the main factor in this?

 

[norcan]

I would guess it probably wasn't the main factor, but I'm of course not privy to the shooter's state of mind.
I do feel that Remington's deliberately-manipulative marketing strategy was very likely a factor, though, and it seems that the jury agrees.

 

[norcan]

When I 1st read the headline, I thought that is crazy. I felt myself agreeing with the counter argument in post #2.
I "liked" the pencil analogy in post #7.

However, having now read the details via the link in post 4, I can see how the logic seams more relevant.
Its not so much they made the gun, but how and to who the sales marking was aimed.

Here's a snippet from the link:
"After the Cerberus private equity firm bought Remington in 2007, it launched aggressive campaign that pushed sales of AR-15s through product placement in first-person shooter videogames and by touting the AR-15 as an effective killing machine"..

I have held the view for many years, that violent video games desensitise the players to violence. For most people that's the only negative.
But for some, it goes further and gaming and reality become blurred.

The article gives the impression that Remington (Cerberus) produced the game.
If that's true, I can see the logic of the case and actually support it.

M.

Another striking thing about the article is how Remington's reprehensible behaviour also included ridiculous demands for personal material about the victims and their families to stall the case as well as to apparently harass and attempt to smear them after the fact.

How anyone can justify their actions here is beyond me.

 

[mealiejimmy]

"Has your Remington firearm been devalued by Remington-gate?, contact our law firm as you could be owed thousands of dollars"

Not worth the bother - your Remington has always been worthless

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Rasputin]

Obviously, but I still think it’s difficult to justify advertising that says to kids that you’re not a man unless you own an AR-15 (something which they’re assured will shut ‘em up real good) and direct product placement of this military rifle design in war-simulation video games.

What’s the benefit? How comfortable would you feel about your children forming their impressions of guns from this material?

There’s nothing new about this I can still remember playing golden eye/doom as a kid. Plenty of guns on there. Whole thing reeks of a stitch up by the leftists.

 

[Kjf]

OK, what about the parents who don't have the time, the means, or the ability to ensure that their children have the mental fortitude to completely resist emotionally-manipulative marketing? Seems like it would be quite the achievement to make them 100% immune to it.

Really, what's the upside to justifying Remington's behaviour here?

They shouldn't have kids in the first place then ,,,,,,,,,,,,

Come on lad , most people know reality from fantasy ffs ,

Put your spade away , and go and have a lie down

Kjf