Responsibilities of the councils regarding rats?

[FrenchieBoy]

I appreciate what some members are saying about secondary poisoning (And I thank them for their concerns) but the chances of that happening with Harley are almost out of the question as I always keep him on a lead when exercising him in that area because of the close proximity of the main road. As such it would be impossible for him to pick something up without me seeing it happen and getting him to drop it straight away. This does not however mean that secondary poisoning could not happen to other dogs (Or cats) which might not be on a lead of closely supervised/watched.
Also I will again state that I do not know if the controller has been to check for dead or dying rats, for all I know he might have been back and checking on a regular basis without me seeing him.

 

[lee3]

I have worked for a council pest control dept.
The control of rats is the responsibility of the land owner.
The council have a duty to make sure that the county is reasonably free of rats and have legislation to be able to take people to court. From memory it is the Pest Prevention act.

where do I stand if the rats are entering my property from private land where the sewer pipe is entering us ? we had a guy living in our block that put a cctv cable thru the pipes, they damaged, but there up in the roof as well , 6 ground floor and six 1st floor flats, my flat is at ground floor , my 2 terriers have killed well over 20 rats in the last 6 months...what is my course of action? hearing the scampering every night is becoming unreal..advice anyone?

 

[Overlay]

Secondary poisoning is a possibility.... hence why the CRRU was brought out......
We recently sent barn owl carcasses away for testing as some of our tenant farmers were poisoning and kot removing the dead or dying mice/rats...... all the tests came back positive for secondary poisoning from rat bait.
I've heard of other keepers who's dogs have become ill from eating poisoned rats...... so it does happen.

do you know what the chemicals were present in the tested animals or birds, be interesting to know

cheers

Phil

 

[Bigcal]

Going off the boil abit here but Another good trick instead of the old smoker is soaking a few spuds in creosote for a couple of days then roll them into the holes and stand back used to work a treat wen we was younger and a smoker was to loud

 

[shakey jake]

where do I stand if the rats are entering my property from private land where the sewer pipe is entering us ? we had a guy living in our block that put a cctv cable thru the pipes, they damaged, but there up in the roof as well , 6 ground floor and six 1st floor flats, my flat is at ground floor , my 2 terriers have killed well over 20 rats in the last 6 months...what is my course of action? hearing the scampering every night is becoming unreal..advice anyone?

all shared sewer pipes are now owned by local water authority, complain to them in writing, also let the council know about the issue. they should camera the pipe and fix, failing that i can give you the name of a drain camera guy that i use, he will find the problem, quote for repairs and has videos to pass to water authority

 

[John Gryphon]

It shall be the duty of every local authority to take such steps as may be necessary to secure so far as practicable that their district is kept free from rats and mice...."

Yes and they will then use that to push the occupants to deal with the rats themselves.

 

[Overlay]

Rule of thumb
internal mice - tenant or homeowner

Rats external/ internal - if homeowner and on their ground the homeowner

if tenanted the house owner or landowner

normally if it’s internal mice the council or landlord will try and lay it on the tenant as a hygiene problem unless there are significant proofing issues

in the event of Rats migrating from an adjacent property, a landlord may be persuaded to pick the tab up, otherwise as explained previously, all landowners Have an obligation to manage pest activity on land or property, getting them to actually take it on board is a different story

just in Casey, if there is a risk of secondary poisoning, The risk assessment should take this into consideration and the use of mechanical management should only be considered, the use of a snap trap programme will be effective bearing in mind there should be no risk to third party non targeted species

migrating rat activity is never an easy fix, in the event the activity is coming into the property, one way sluices can be installed , landlord / land owner normally pick up the tab under structural fault

 

[paul o']

Mine tossed it off and you now have to pay for it , only the waste/water co bait or virgin media do around here , but now the rats have got there own motorways vie there chambers

 

[Overlay]

where do I stand if the rats are entering my property from private land where the sewer pipe is entering us ? we had a guy living in our block that put a cctv cable thru the pipes, they damaged, but there up in the roof as well , 6 ground floor and six 1st floor flats, my flat is at ground floor , my 2 terriers have killed well over 20 rats in the last 6 months...what is my course of action? hearing the scampering every night is becoming unreal..advice anyone?

have a look in the drain drops, if they are climbing up the brickwork into your property drains. - 2 options install non return sluices and if there is a fair drop and they are climbing up to your drains, I have in some instances installed a polished circle of aluminium in the tube to deny the rodents purchase so they can’t climb up to the drains

worst scenario is that they have chewed a hole in the stub stacks from the property and gone in the walls and up to the roof and floor joins, this is the worst type of activity, you can’t use rodenticide due to them passing in the wall cavities, normally this is a structural job whereupon the landlord picks up the tab - not an easy solution

 

[TAhmed]

have a look in the drain drops, if they are climbing up the brickwork into your property drains. - 2 options install non return sluices and if there is a fair drop and they are climbing up to your drains, I have in some instances installed a polished circle of aluminium in the tube to deny the rodents purchase so they can’t climb up to the drains

worst scenario is that they have chewed a hole in the stub stacks from the property and gone in the walls and up to the roof and floor joins, this is the worst type of activity, you can’t use rodenticide due to them passing in the wall cavities, normally this is a structural job whereupon the landlord picks up the tab - not an easy solution

Hi Phillip (or anyone that can help!), I was looking online for ideas of what can be done to solve the rat problem I've been having since we moved into this house about 5 years ago and come across this site.

I've tried things like getting pest control who used rat traps, cameras, poison and blocking any potential holes, but have only managed to reduce activity for a limited period of time. They keep coming back and we can't seem to find any point of entrance/exit whether its holes or drains. We hear noises coming from inside of walls and the attic. We believe it to be in the structure, but not sure what to do about it to solve it permanently. There is also this horrible smell that comes from one of the rooms, but it's not a smell that is always there. Some days its really bad and strong, next day it could be gone for a while and then come back the next week. We suspect it to be where the rats live most? My question is who do we call and what do we do to solve this?

I live in Kent and I notice you do too, you seem knowledgeable on this matter so I would really appreciate any help or advice please. Even better if you wouldn't mind getting in touch to give us a call/visit or get us in touch with someone who can help.

Thanks to anyone who reads this and can offer their help, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Overlay]

Hi Tahmed

pm me your mobile number, I’ll give you a call

cheers

phil

 

[shakey jake]

tahmed in my experience you need a competent drain survey carried out, good luck

 

[TAhmed]

Hi Tahmed

pm me your mobile number, I’ll give you a call

cheers

phil

Thanks, but I can't seem to find an option to pm

 

[purdeydog]

Get your drain pipes checked, might need a rat drain guard. Very simple to fit. Put some non toxic rat bait in your drain on the main waste pipe, on a dry part of it, secure in place if you can and see if it goes. If it does get a drain guard. Also the LD50 on the poison you mention isn’t too bad for dogs so a dog would need to consume a lot of it to kill It, obviously eating any isn’t good.

 

[teyhan1]

You need some tracking dust.
It’s a dust which glows under ultraviolet light allowing you to find entrance and exits.

 

[enfieldspares]

Thanks, but I can't seem to find an option to pm

Hover with your cursor on the user's name and then on the box that then appears as you hover click to Start Conversation. It's what PM used to be called on the old SD platform.

 

[TAhmed]

Hover with your cursor on the user's name and then on the box that then appears as you hover click to Start Conversation. It's what PM used to be called on the old SD platform.

Thank you, I got it now