Rodenator

[FarmerCharlie]

Anyone know what happened to Rodenator?

Got one here that needs a new charger and a service, but don’t seem to be able to get hold of anyone, Rodex UK who supplied it are dissolved on companies house. Seem to remember the guys name was Robin?

Not sure how effective it was but blowing up rat burrows certainly got the blood flowing!

 

[finnbear270]

He was unfortunately killed in an rtc by a drunk driver, If you are referring to Pete. I may be mistaking your chap for another.

 

[Dillon]

PM sent

 

[IBD]

He was unfortunately killed in an rtc by a drunk driver, If you are referring to Pete. I may be mistaking your chap for another.

Think he means the machine that you used to blow rat buries up with

 

[finnbear270]

Got it.

 

[Sharpie]

Anyone know what happened to Rodenator?

Got one here that needs a new charger and a service, but don’t seem to be able to get hold of anyone, Rodex UK who supplied it are dissolved on companies house. Seem to remember the guys name was Robin?

Not sure how effective it was but blowing up rat burrows certainly got the blood flowing!

Suggest you scrap it. They were highly controversial at the time. The bloke then tried to claim that they should only be used for collapsing burrows empty of creatures. What ? Send in the ferrets first ? or poison gas. Or the olde fashioned way, connect in the exhaust pipe from say an old chain saw running a rich mix.

Never came to a test case, but here are a couple of links:

Natural England Notice | Rodenator

Defra Statement | Rodenator

The question is often “could the Rodenator and similar devices ever be used to kill pest species in England?” The simple answer is yes, but only under an appropriate licence as they utilise a prohibited method of killing. Natural England is authorised to grant such licences on behalf of Defra in England. The Welsh Assembly Government and the Scottish Government are responsible for this issue in their respective countries. To date, there have been discussions between Natural England and importers and purchasers to advise them of the regulatory requirements but no licences permitting the use of these devices to kill wild animals have been granted anywhere in the UK and no such devices are ‘Defra approved’.

There again, blowing a (hopefully) stochiometric mix of propane and air, or even propane and oxygen even better, somehow expecting it to blow through all the burrows and chambers displacing all the plain air, then the detonation wave propagate throughout is a big ask.

Undoubtedly they went bang and collapsed some things. Being a bit safety conscious I would not like to try to operate one.

 

[lanber123]

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Suggest you scrap it. They were highly controversial at the time. The bloke then tried to claim that they should only be used for collapsing burrows empty of creatures. What ? Send in the ferrets first ? or poison gas. Or the olde fashioned way, connect in the exhaust pipe from say an old chain saw running a rich mix.

Never came to a test case, but here are a couple of links:

Natural England Notice | Rodenator

Defra Statement | Rodenator

The question is often “could the Rodenator and similar devices ever be used to kill pest species in England?” The simple answer is yes, but only under an appropriate licence as they utilise a prohibited method of killing. Natural England is authorised to grant such licences on behalf of Defra in England. The Welsh Assembly Government and the Scottish Government are responsible for this issue in their respective countries. To date, there have been discussions between Natural England and importers and purchasers to advise them of the regulatory requirements but no licences permitting the use of these devices to kill wild animals have been granted anywhere in the UK and no such devices are ‘Defra approved’.

There again, blowing a (hopefully) stochiometric mix of propane and air, or even propane and oxygen even better, somehow expecting it to blow through all the burrows and chambers displacing all the plain air, then the detonation wave propagate throughout is a big ask.

Undoubtedly they went bang and collapsed some things. Being a bit safety conscious I would not like to try to operate one.

But used appropriately, very effective and quite fun!!

 

[Northern_George]

They were actually very fun to use but could also be very dangerous in the wrong hands I rember using one with my old headkeeper he said to hold the gas on for longer than it said and we ended up collapsing half a hedgerow. Very fun to use but how effective I don’t quite know

 

[FarmerCharlie]

This one has thought about the safety side a bit got a remote ‘detonation’ via key fob style remote, self recoiling oxy and propane hoses and a nice little ATV trailer to lug the lot round with. Only used it a couple of times in a bund at the back of the yard that was riddled with rats. (After following the guidance to the letter of the law) My predecessor brought it & there’s a whole folder that goes with it that goes through all the DEFRA stuff @Sharpie has highlighted, some good points I hadn’t thought about, if it uses cylinder propane and oxygen will the pressure from the cylinders make it more effective?

Reason for asking was the minefield that is rat control…as far as I know (and that’s not a lot) 2nd Gen anticoagulant rat poison labels, from only have approval for use ‘in and around buildings’ so baiting under hoppers (in proper boxes) is out the question, secondary poising also a concern & I believe if you’re been squeaky clean Fenn traps aren’t approved in case you get a stoat. So shooting/ rat pack and the trusty smokey two stroke strimmer engine then burrow destruction might be a way of addressing rats. Lack of harsh winters seems to allow numbers to build up. Mind you they are pretty sporting with the NV & rimfire…shortage of poults maybe I could sell some guided ratting?

 

[shakey jake]

This one has thought about the safety side a bit got a remote ‘detonation’ via key fob style remote, self recoiling oxy and propane hoses and a nice little ATV trailer to lug the lot round with. Only used it a couple of times in a bund at the back of the yard that was riddled with rats. (After following the guidance to the letter of the law) My predecessor brought it & there’s a whole folder that goes with it that goes through all the DEFRA stuff @Sharpie has highlighted, some good points I hadn’t thought about, if it uses cylinder propane and oxygen will the pressure from the cylinders make it more effective?

Reason for asking was the minefield that is rat control…as far as I know (and that’s not a lot) 2nd Gen anticoagulant rat poison labels, from only have approval for use ‘in and around buildings’ so baiting under hoppers (in proper boxes) is out the question, secondary poising also a concern & I believe if you’re been squeaky clean Fenn traps aren’t approved in case you get a stoat. So shooting/ rat pack and the trusty smokey two stroke strimmer engine then burrow destruction might be a way of addressing rats. Lack of harsh winters seems to allow numbers to build up. Mind you they are pretty sporting with the NV & rimfire…shortage of poults maybe I could sell some guided ratting?

Some poison still listed as open area, phostoxin could be used, mark 6 fenn, break back traps. If you have high rat numbers this time of year, i would be burrow baiting with either a loose bait second gen or harmonix if listed for burrows.

 

[finnbear270]

I can vouch for the propagation of a burrow destruction blast, the guy I worked for who owned the sand quarry where I worked was one of the very first in the northwest to own & use one, he was twenty stone minimum, & he was lifted off his feet thirty yards away from me firing the thing.