Brighty3006
Well-Known Member
Ffs. Please leave Basc alone. Tires me out.
Role of BASC members praised at Liberal Democrats conference
- Thread starter Conor O'Gorman
- Start date
timbrayford
Well-Known Member
Ok Conor but I'm a bit puzzled why having started a discussion pertaining to the Libdem conference you are now hastily abandoning it?
Leec6.5
Well-Known Member
Nope your are quite right, I’ll pay trade membership if I’m selling that is it.
As long as the SD if free to use I shall use it, I’ll not support it unless I’m selling, if I becomes membership only I’ll cross that bridge when it comes to !
I presume the carp jibe is a snipe at me
Last edited:
Sorry, what exactly do you disagree with?
I disagree. This is why. Originally a person did not need any "reason" to own either so it is rather peculiar to claim that they could only be held for self defence. I've personally used a pistol for shooting small game, I know others use them as a back up for large game. They've also been used indoors for vermin, outdoors for feral, injured or diseased animals etc etc.
Similarly the use of full bore semi autos is entirely valid for various live quarry uses without being excessive.
Because they're useful for the various other uses listed above.
Conor O'Gorman
Well-Known Member
Indeed. If only the same energy by the BASC bashers went into encouraging everyone to back campaigns as and when they arise. I have lost count of the 'tumbleweed' posts here and elsewhere when there have been calls to action.
For example, a decade ago a few of us from various organisations tried to get back the ownership and use of .22 calibre rimfire pistols for sporting purposes in England, Wales and Scotland, starting with a government petition. The organisations and sporting press backed this UNITY campaign and the lack of unity was a rude awakening with only 21K signatures secured.
Archived Petition: Allow the ownership and use of .22 calibre Rimfire pistols for sporting purposes in England, Wales and Scotland.
We the undersigned respectfully petition the Government to amend the Firearms Acts to allow the ownership and use of .22 calibre Rimfire pistols for competitive sporting purposes in England, Wales and Scotland. We the undersigned therefore request that the Government: 1. Repeal the Firearms...
Time for BASC bashers to STOP and get behind BASC, and if you have nothing constructive to say, put a lid on it.
As an all-party organisation, BASC attends all autumn party conferences. Having attended the Reform and Liberal Democrat conferences we will also be at the Green, Labour and Conservative conferences in the weeks ahead.
enfieldspares
Well-Known Member
Yes I agree with that in respect of both self-loading and pump action full bore rifles. I knew people who had the excellent HK SL7 and the Remington 760 in both cases in .308 Winchester. And concur with you too in the matter of pistols for humane dispatch.
But the fact remains that when modern cartridge loading pistols and revolvers became available that nobody purchased them for the reasons of recreational target shooting that was not done in furtherance of improving their owner's ability and skill in using them either for defence of self or defence of property. So the rest you've mentioned about target shooting we'll have to agree to disagree. I grew up in a family where both my own father and my mother's father (my grandfather) had lawfully possessed, as soldiers, personally owned pistols for personal use that was for only but had for protection. They never ever considered using them for target shooting as a pastime in its own right.
That makes it sound as though the BASC-bashers (of whom I hope I may be considered one) have nothing constructive to say.
It might be worth considering that constructive criticism is only actually constructive if the criticised body is capable of understanding that not everyone shares the view that it is infallible.
If the criticised body does indeed believe it is incapable of doing anything wrong, then there is no such thing as constructive criticism: all criticism is, since it must by definition be baseless, either malicious or the product of a lack of understanding.
BASC seem generously to take the view that it is almost always the latter, and therefore keep telling us we're wrong while pointing in other directions.
As an aside, the suggestion that BASC-bashers do nothing but try to help BASC see itself as some of the more insightful members (as they themselves might see it, at least) of the shooting community see it is not helpful: responding to petitions, consultations etc and writing to (or visiting) our MPs from time to time should be part of all shooting-folks' standard behaviour - and I suspect this behaviour is likely to be more-strongly expressed among those who are trying to help BASC become something they feel they might (once more, in my case) be able to support.
Might be wrong, though...
Heym SR20
Well-Known Member
As an all party representative of shooters lobbying type organisation the BASC has to remain to non political. It has to be all about policy.Indeed. If only the same energy by the BASC bashers went into encouraging everyone to back campaigns as and when they arise. I have lost count of the 'tumbleweed' posts here and elsewhere when there have been calls to action.
For example, a decade ago a few of us from various organisations tried to get back the ownership and use of .22 calibre rimfire pistols for sporting purposes in England, Wales and Scotland, starting with a government petition. The organisations and sporting press backed this UNITY campaign and the lack of unity was a rude awakening with only 21K signatures secured.
Archived Petition: Allow the ownership and use of .22 calibre Rimfire pistols for sporting purposes in England, Wales and Scotland.
We the undersigned respectfully petition the Government to amend the Firearms Acts to allow the ownership and use of .22 calibre Rimfire pistols for competitive sporting purposes in England, Wales and Scotland. We the undersigned therefore request that the Government: 1. Repeal the Firearms...petition.parliament.uk
Time for BASC bashers to STOP and get behind BASC, and if you have nothing constructive to say, put a lid on it.
As an all-party organisation, BASC attends all autumn party conferences. Having attended the Reform and Liberal Democrat conferences we will also be at the Green, Labour and Conservative conferences in the weeks ahead.
However in my Humble little opinion
Farage is a buffoon and is a Trump stooge. They are very good performers and make many follow them - why? i have no clue
The Tories are an utter shadow of their former self. Likes of Hestletine, Ken Clarke etc were statesmen and gentlemen. I thought the coalition did well under Cameron’s leadership - but then they got a lunatic idiots like Boris, Truss and Rees Mogg
Labour - Blair didn’t do a bad job in his early years - indeed is was good for business, but then they got banking crash happened and they got it wrong IMHO. Starmer is struggling with a lot of pretty incompetent people alongside. And he is frightened of offending anyone and thus offending all.
And the Libdems have an open goal in the middle ground but they don’t even seem to be on the pitch, let alone in the right city for the match
SNP - couldn’t build a paper boat, let alone run a parish council.
jimmer.13
Well-Known Member
Pellet Pinger
Well-Known Member
I don’t think its negativity as such, more the timing of this and Ed Davey’s outburst the other day. Lets face it the bloke is completely bat **** crazy and his comments the other day regarding school shootings completely remove any doubt of that, so easy to believe he and the nutters that follow him are more of a threat to shooting than the other parties, hence the comments.
Would be interesting to hear if BASC addresses Davey’s comments.
Conversely similar BASC interaction with Reform was received in a more positive light a whlie ago on here, probably because they are perceived as friend of shooting regardless of their other political stance.
More than 200 people attended a packed rural reception hosted by BASC and the Angling Trust at the Reform UK Party Conference at the NEC in Birmingham on Saturday. The event was the first in a series of rural receptions set to be held by BASC and the Angling Trust at the party conferences this Autumn.
basc.org.uk
BASC's role in conservation praised at the Reform UK Conference
More than 200 people attended a packed rural reception hosted by BASC and the Angling Trust at the Reform UK Party Conference.
basc.org.uk
Last edited:
BenBhoy
Well-Known Member
Yet if you contact your mp or candidates at election, and ask for opinions, then you might find plenty of them recognise & value the financial & ecological local benefits they bring in. I know our lib dem candidate does as he's from farming background & I took the time to ask him (and he got my vote).
Neither Heseltine nor Clarke were statesmen and most certainly neither a gentleman.
The rest of the electorate wasn't impressed.
Yup. PFI was a triumph, the "moral foreign policy", Iraq and war on terror all absolute triumphs, chaotic mismanagement of the economy before the crash, etc etc.
He fxxking picked them. The probpem is that HE is incompetent, to his own surprise.
They're not even on the right planet .
Just like Labour and everyone to the left of e.g. Sunak.
I see it as more of an announcement.
I was.
The 2010-2015 coalition was one of the most settled periods I have experienced within my sector of the farming industry, I think.
Indeed. If only the same energy by the BASC bashers went into encouraging everyone to back campaigns as and when they arise. I have lost count of the 'tumbleweed' posts here and elsewhere when there have been calls to action.
For example, a decade ago a few of us from various organisations tried to get back the ownership and use of .22 calibre rimfire pistols for sporting purposes in England, Wales and Scotland, starting with a government petition. The organisations and sporting press backed this UNITY campaign and the lack of unity was a rude awakening with only 21K signatures secured.
Archived Petition: Allow the ownership and use of .22 calibre Rimfire pistols for sporting purposes in England, Wales and Scotland.
We the undersigned respectfully petition the Government to amend the Firearms Acts to allow the ownership and use of .22 calibre Rimfire pistols for competitive sporting purposes in England, Wales and Scotland. We the undersigned therefore request that the Government: 1. Repeal the Firearms...
Time for BASC bashers to STOP and get behind BASC, and if you have nothing constructive to say, put a lid on it.
As an all-party organisation, BASC attends all autumn party conferences. Having attended the Reform and Liberal Democrat conferences we will also be at the Green, Labour and Conservative conferences in the weeks ahead.
I’m afraid this highlights the issues across BASC, an unwillingness to listen to anything except glowing praise for the BASC and acting purely in the interests of BASC employees not the members who fund it, (or would join and fund if it were more fit for purpose). Despite the Commies, we still enjoy freedom of speech in this country, and whilst you should of course discount ‘hurty words’, BASC needs to listen to its audience and cannot rely on the ever decreasing shooting insurance monopoly to attract and retain members. Shouting down and deriding opinions (or as BASC Bashers) that do not suit BASC is unlikely to deliver the membership or appreciation you appear to crave.
Conor O'Gorman
Well-Known Member
This is not constructive so perhaps you did not listen yourself to the earlier advice and you have form with other non constructive comments in other threads such as: Ban All Shooting Clubs ….. always wondered what BASC stood for! BASC to conspire with Commies to ban vapes ? Wow, what next BASC to buy ‘lollipops for French Polynesians?’ I won’t be using steel regardless of how much BASC is paid to shill it.
Perhaps give the BASC bashing a rest and demonstrate some self-awareness and maturity.
Wow! There’s a blast from the past. There used to be a political party with the same name.
Thank you for making my point for me … take useful constructive action benefiting members and maybe the hurty words will stop and you might get engagement?
Similar threads
