Sauer out the box accuracy (not )

[User00026]

The rifle has been tested by an independent gunsmith and after 20 rounds he managed an 1 1/2 grouping. But from what I could gather the grouping was still erratic. As I said in my last post it will bug hole but then goes back to a crap group. From a cold barrel it won't group, as in a first shot on a deer it could be 3 inch poa.
The independent tester said 1 1/2 is acceptable from a sauer. But that's not from a cold barrel........
he said if he want a better grouping he would have to home load.
More like he would be better buying a sako at third of the price ( my suggestion )

The question is what group do you except from an out of the box with rifle with factory ammo,

from a decent factory rifle, cold bore, and with factory ammo that's chosen to suit it (you may have to try a few), I would expect and accept no less than 1" at 100yds, or 2" to 2.5" at 200yds.

grouping and reliability from cold bore is PARTICULARLY key for a stalking rifle IMHO., esp. knowing and being able to trust the final destination of the first shot...

it sounds to me like it's a dud barrel, perhaps there's stress that was not removed after rifling, perhaps too much heat was applied when soldering on the sights, perhaps it's just a lemon and just about everything that can be wrong has gone wrong.

whatever it is, this rifle described should be taken back to Sauer and replaced with a new one, with an added apology and some form of compensation for the inconvenience.

I would consider putting this to them as an alternative to submitting an article to the Editor of various publications....

the alternative is using the Sale Of Goods Act to support your case, and taking Garlands on for compensation.

 

[Klenchblaize]

The question is what group do you except from an out of the box with rifle with factory ammo,

At least the same as the test target all rifles should come with. I'll dig out my Sauer 90's albeit I've never used it with that weight of bullet.

K

 

[moses]

Seems strange to me that this rifle made it out of the factory as they are all group tested before they are passed as fit.

There is a range underneath the factory where one guy sits all day shooting them as the come off the production line, the targets are then attached to the gun and shipped with them.

Was there a test target with this rifle?

From any new factory rifle you would expect to be able to group 1" at 100yds with a good brand of ammo.

The issue of price has nothing to do with the performance of this Sauer, you have not paid extra for a more accurate rifle only for embelishments like;

Wood upgrades
Engraving
Case hardening
Grip cap
etc...

The fact of the matter is that the barrel, action, bolt are all the same as any other 202 just with a differnet finish so......... all this talk of " my £50 rifle shoots better" is totally missing the point.

If you're friend wanted the most accurate £6500 rifle then he should have gone to PRS but, what he actually bought was a factory Sauer 202 with some shiney things and nice walnut which is where all his money went.

I wonder if this rifle is as it left the factory or was perhaps converted to another calibre by the distributor to facilitate the sale? It could be that something was perhaps overlooked when being re-assembled.

I would ask that another standard cal barrel be fitted to the action and then tested again.

The fact of the matter is that if this rifle is not accurate then it is not fit for purpose and as such you are entitled to return it to be either replaced or refunded.

Hope this works out for him.

 

[gixer1]

Seems strange to me that this rifle made it out of the factory as they are all group tested before they are passed as fit.

There is a range underneath the factory where one guy sits all day shooting them as the come off the production line, the targets are then attached to the gun and shipped with them.

Was there a test target with this rifle?

From any new factory rifle you would expect to be able to group 1" at 100yds with a good brand of ammo.

The issue of price has nothing to do with the performance of this Sauer, you have not paid extra for a more accurate rifle only for embelishments like;

Wood upgrades
Engraving
Case hardening
Grip cap
etc...

The fact of the matter is that the barrel, action, bolt are all the same as any other 202 just with a differnet finish so......... all this talk of " my £50 rifle shoots better" is totally missing the point.

If you're friend wanted the most accurate £6500 rifle then he should have gone to PRS but, what he actually bought was a factory Sauer 202 with some shiney things and nice walnut which is where all his money went.

I wonder if this rifle is as it left the factory or was perhaps converted to another calibre by the distributor to facilitate the sale? It could be that something was perhaps overlooked when being re-assembled.

I would ask that another standard cal barrel be fitted to the action and then tested again.

The fact of the matter is that if this rifle is not accurate then it is not fit for purpose and as such you are entitled to return it to be either replaced or refunded.

Hope this works out for him.

Sauer's do not come with a target from the factory....weatherby's do and others may but Sauers do not.

regards,

Gixer

 

[moses]

Sauer's do not come with a target from the factory....weatherby's do and others may but Sauers do not.

regards,

Gixer

I would hope that someone at the factory would have some record of how this rifle shot and what Cal it was when it left the factory.

Seems stupid to me that this poor guy sit's in an under ground bunker all day testing all the rifles for them to do nothing with the target??

I've been in this range and even fired a 303 semi auto there so I know it happens. He has all the rifles with their spec sheets attached in racks and he attaches the target to them when fired and off they go.

He was actually getting some pretty impressive groups even with the 303's.

ATB
Moses

 

[Hornet 6]

Never owned a Sauer, but I'm surprised to hear test targets are not included.
I know all CZ's are tested and leave the factory with those target, I know because the rest of the world gets a new rifle with test target.
Here we don't get the target, maybe Edgar's decided we don't need them, I wonder is the Sauer importer made the same decision ?
Do we have an over seas Sauer owner on here who can confirm the test target is shipped overseas ?
The only test targets I have ever got were with a new Anshutz, that was a grey import, and CZ that came in via CZ Australia, who in
​turn had got it from CZ USA.

Neil.

 

[gixer1]

I would hope that someone at the factory would have some record of how this rifle shot and what Cal it was when it left the factory.

Seems stupid to me that this poor guy sit's in an under ground bunker all day testing all the rifles for them to do nothing with the target??

I've been in this range and even fired a 303 semi auto there so I know it happens. He has all the rifles with their spec sheets attached in racks and he attaches the target to them when fired and off they go.

He was actually getting some pretty impressive groups even with the 303's.

ATB
Moses

Having had a 202 Classic XT brand new and rummaged through varios boxes on brand new sauers - I can say there is no target included - It may be kept on file in the Sauer factory but I can't see it.

 

[mia497]

insure it then drive over it

 

[gixer1]

Never owned a Sauer, but I'm surprised to hear test targets are not included.
I know all CZ's are tested and leave the factory with those target, I know because the rest of the world gets a new rifle with test target.
Here we don't get the target, maybe Edgar's decided we don't need them, I wonder is the Sauer importer made the same decision ?
Do we have an over seas Sauer owner on here who can confirm the test target is shipped overseas ?
The only test targets I have ever got were with a new Anshutz, that was a grey import, and CZ that came in via CZ Australia, who in
​turn had got it from CZ USA.

Neil.

Nope - Sauer dont send them out anywhere now, the only people in the uk who do send them out are howa and weatherby i believe.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[bri2506]

Final update.
The rifle has been taken back by gun shop who supplied it and a full refund given. I think he has just lost the will with the whole situation. Only thing is he has run about £500 in ammo through it, but I think he has done well to come out fully refunded.

 

[I. Farticus]

Good news!

Now he needs to find a great secondhand Sako, Swaro scope and binos, mod, bipod and sling for the same money. Shouldn't be too hard!!

 

[smullery]

If only we knew the serial number. Could save the next owner a lot of grief.

​Stan

 

[bri2506]

If only we knew the serial number. Could save the next owner a lot of grief.

​Stan

I'm sure that wont be a problem. Not sure on the legality s attached though.

 

[Klenchblaize]

I have a Dumoulin (M98 action/jewelled bolt) 243 with Apel swing off mounts he can have for £2.5K.

Cheers

K

 

[Ronin]

The rifle (for future potential owners) was shot by me and I found no faults whatsoever with it.

With factory ammunition, it was printing sub MOA without any problem.

​Absolutely lovely stalking rifle.

 

[palmer_mike]

The rifle (for future potential owners) was shot by me and I found no faults whatsoever with it.

With factory ammunition, it was printing sub MOA without any problem.

​Absolutely lovely stalking rifle.

The same sauer the rest of this thread is about?
I wonder how come the importers couldn't do better than 2 1/2 moa?

 

[gixer1]

The rifle (for future potential owners) was shot by me and I found no faults whatsoever with it.

With factory ammunition, it was printing sub MOA without any problem.

​Absolutely lovely stalking rifle.

Thats a bit strange?? is this thread a hoax then?

 

[Crosshair243]

The rifle (for future potential owners) was shot by me and I found no faults whatsoever with it.

With factory ammunition, it was printing sub MOA without any problem.

​Absolutely lovely stalking rifle.

This post is useless without YouTube evidence I fear
114 posts about nothing then?????
It probably just needed 'shooting in'

 

[ejg]

Was Redmist maybe only referring to the Dumoulin Rifle owned by Klenchblaize?
that's how I understood it.
edi

 

[splash]

I get the impression Redmist was talking about the Sauer