schweiss-uk Uk tracking training club

[Sikashooter]

Baron what you need is to run a one off competition for best tracking dog . You couls have as many entrants as you could cope with with a winner takes all.
Say £20 to enter and start off wih a 50 mtr track working up to a 20 mile 6 month old track with only 10 mil of blood. (Tongue in cheek). But what the uk needs is a good set up of tracking groups covering the country. ENGLAND IRELAND SCOTLAND AND WALES. Were correct training is given and a few tracking tests just for fun to develop relaxed competition.
Then you can start to get to the real trackers out from each area. Holding tracking days up and down the UK.

 

[jimmy milnes]

Baron what you need is to run a one off competition for best tracking dog . You couls have as many entrants as you could cope with with a winner takes all.
Say £20 to enter and start off wih a 50 mtr track working up to a 20 mile 6 month old track with only 10 mil of blood. (Tongue in cheek). But what the uk needs is a good set up of tracking groups covering the country. ENGLAND IRELAND SCOTLAND AND WALES. Were correct training is given and a few tracking tests just for fun to develop relaxed competition.
Then you can start to get to the real trackers out from each area. Holding tracking days up and down the UK.

JACKPOT !!!!!!!!!! thanks sikashooter these are my thoughts exactly but better put than myself

 

[cookingfat]

Baron what you need is to run a one off competition for best tracking dog . You couls have as many entrants as you could cope with with a winner takes all.
Say £20 to enter and start off wih a 50 mtr track working up to a 20 mile 6 month old track with only 10 mil of blood. (Tongue in cheek). But what the uk needs is a good set up of tracking groups covering the country. ENGLAND IRELAND SCOTLAND AND WALES. Were correct training is given and a few tracking tests just for fun to develop relaxed competition.
Then you can start to get to the real trackers out from each area. Holding tracking days up and down the UK.

Which is what the schweiss uk tracking club was about.

such a big shame it never got off the ground

and i was one of the first to send off my cheuqe and to have it returned.

Tony

 

[stone]

Baron what you need is to run a one off competition for best tracking dog . You couls have as many entrants as you could cope with with a winner takes all.
Say £20 to enter and start off wih a 50 mtr track working up to a 20 mile 6 month old track with only 10 mil of blood. (Tongue in cheek). But what the uk needs is a good set up of tracking groups covering the country. ENGLAND IRELAND SCOTLAND AND WALES. Were correct training is given and a few tracking tests just for fun to develop relaxed competition.
Then you can start to get to the real trackers out from each area. Holding tracking days up and down the UK.

this is exactley what the UK fraternity does not need
we need dogs and handlers that hav a clue built on experience
not just the fact that they can follow a cold scent and do it well
people train dogs for a reason and competions is not the reason that is needed where tracking is concerned

 

[stone]

i did attend your NGO course earlier this year at calton moor and enjoyed it very much, "

Jimmy
I also attended the same course sunday only thou but as you did realy enjoyed it
were you one of the guys that I spoke to about the fallow issue??

 

[jimmy milnes]

think we obviously have two trains of thought here, stone i can see where you are comming from and to some extent i agree with you as there is a need for the services of a register to do this task when required, but what we also need is a regional set of clubs/groups to provide help and training to people that wish to further theres and there dogs ability, maybe so they can then become part of the register when they reach the required standard

 

[jimmy milnes]

no i attended on the sat stone so cant of been me sorry, waiting for the next one though so i can do the advanced day to see how my dog does, gave her a trail at calton moor last fri as was there stalking for the day and had some spare time mid day and she did ok {wind wasnt good for a novice but she coped ok}

 

[stone]

Jimmy
Hav no issues with that and totally agree
we do need regional clubs to help those try and attain a standard that will count
but this will take time to build and present a reputable following that will eventuably be recognosed
so lets look forward to a united future

 

[jimmy milnes]

agreed stone hopefully things will move forward and happen
kind regards
jimmy

 

[cookingfat]

Jimmy
Hav no issues with that and totally agree
we do need regional clubs to help those try and attain a standard that will count
but this will take time to build and present a reputable following that will eventuably be recognosed
so lets look forward to a united future

I think we our all with you on that one Richard.

 

[Gazza]

When Mark Montgomery placed his idea of a "UK Club" on forum I was off the opinion that he (and others) were trying to establish a network of regional branches running training days to in his words "having access to good advice and support in training a deer tracking dog".
Added on to this valuable resource was to be access to recognised tests to qualify dogs/handlers. A register of qualified tracking dogs could then be established.

Now we seem to be talking an exclusive club of "top dogs" competing for cash on a test that would not appear to be recognised. Surely any club should be based on assisting in training and not on showing off how good your dog is.

 

[barongcw]

think we obviously have two trains of thought here, stone i can see where you are comming from and to some extent i agree with you as there is a need for the services of a register to do this task when required, but what we also need is a regional set of clubs/groups to provide help and training to people that wish to further theres and there dogs ability, maybe so they can then become part of the register when they reach the required standard

Agree with the above; there are two strains of thought.

1 Some of you would like a club with reginal branches to helps you train your hounds to a certain level and then pass a test. That, in my view, is a job for one of the shooting organisations. The BDS seems to me the most obvious but they do not appear to be very keen. May be the NGO. I am willing to help but that is too big a job for one person with some help. That is why I think the previous effort failed, it was just too ambitious.

2 Others of which I am one, want to club or a group that assembles some or most of the best deer dogs and their handlers in this country. In order to prove that they are as good as their owners think they will have to pass a test.
This test will have to be very difficult otherwise there will be too many applicants and you all know how long it takes to set up one track of a KM.
In order to attract these busy individuals I proposed a high entry fee to limit the field but a total refund of that fee if you reach the required level. To make it even more attractive I proposed cash price for the best combination. That should make it worth somewhile coming a long way.

Obviously in future as JM says there should be a flow of hounds from the regional groups to the difficult tests.

 

[barongcw]

When Mark Montgomery placed his idea of a "UK Club" on forum I was off the opinion that he (and others) were trying to establish a network of regional branches running training days to in his words "having access to good advice and support in training a deer tracking dog".
Added on to this valuable resource was to be access to recognised tests to qualify dogs/handlers. A register of qualified tracking dogs could then be established.

Now we seem to be talking an exclusive club of "top dogs" competing for cash on a test that would not appear to be recognised. Surely any club should be based on assisting in training and not on showing off how good your dog is.

See above for my views.

As for the tests being recognised. By whom? The FCI, the ISHV.?

It would be easy to translate the Main Test of the Verein Hirschmann or the KBGS but impossible to set it up as it involves a live chase.

So what do you suggest?

 

[barongcw]

Baron what you need is to run a one off competition for best tracking dog . You couls have as many entrants as you could cope with with a winner takes all.
Say £20 to enter and start off wih a 50 mtr track working up to a 20 mile 6 month old track with only 10 mil of blood. (Tongue in cheek). But what the uk needs is a good set up of tracking groups covering the country. ENGLAND IRELAND SCOTLAND AND WALES. Were correct training is given and a few tracking tests just for fun to develop relaxed competition.
Then you can start to get to the real trackers out from each area. Holding tracking days up and down the UK.

Agree with you, see my comments elsewhere

 

[barongcw]

Baron what you need is to run a one off competition for best tracking dog . You couls have as many entrants as you could cope with with a winner takes all.
Say £20 to enter and start off wih a 50 mtr track working up to a 20 mile 6 month old track with only 10 mil of blood. (Tongue in cheek). But what the uk needs is a good set up of tracking groups covering the country. ENGLAND IRELAND SCOTLAND AND WALES. Were correct training is given and a few tracking tests just for fun to develop relaxed competition.
Then you can start to get to the real trackers out from each area. Holding tracking days up and down the UK.

See my comments elsewhere. Too big for me to handle.

 

[Sikashooter]

It would be interesting to knock about a need or want of a local group so that cost is not a prohibitory factor. EG scottish lowlands tracking group not breed specific. Membership £20 group meeting twice a year with training and advice from members also invite speakers experts etc. Lay small productive tracks and test the dogs skills.
I see you are from Dorset Baron would you be willing to test your dog against the best on a track in Sutherland or ullapool. Your winnings from the competition would soon be ate up buy the fuel cost alone .(that is IF you win as your dog failed in the last track it did) Your group of dogs will take part in a competition against a small group of LOCAL enthusiasts this would only be a small group from local stock. In the development of tracking dogs in the UK would be as much use as a chocolate fire guard.
Arrange a competition by all means but make it just that. Hanovarians only or Bavarian mountain hounds only. Or it will need to be a free for all (all breeds welcome and placed somewhere in the middle of the country (say Manchester) Unless of coarse you are only including England in this venture.
I wish you luck with it mate and hope your dog wins.

 

[barongcw]

It would be interesting to knock about a need or want of a local group so that cost is not a prohibitory factor. EG scottish lowlands tracking group not breed specific. Membership £20 group meeting twice a year with training and advice from members also invite speakers experts etc. Lay small productive tracks and test the dogs skills.
I see you are from Dorset Baron would you be willing to test your dog against the best on a track in Sutherland or ullapool. Your winnings from the competition would soon be ate up buy the fuel cost alone .(that is IF you win as your dog failed in the last track it did) Your group of dogs will take part in a competition against a small group of LOCAL enthusiasts this would only be a small group from local stock. In the development of tracking dogs in the UK would be as much use as a chocolate fire guard.
Arrange a competition by all means but make it just that. Hanovarians only or Bavarian mountain hounds only. Or it will need to be a free for all (all breeds welcome and placed somewhere in the middle of the country (say Manchester) Unless of coarse you are only including England in this venture.
I wish you luck with it mate and hope your dog wins.

Many good thoughts. I might well be tempted to come to the high north to take part in a local trail. Perhaps during the stag shooting season but would others? We could perhaps combine it with a days theoretical talk with slides and tracking DVds or hold at somewhere around Perth? Leave this thought with you.

Yes the hound did not win first prize; "only" a 2nd and best of day but I am still a happy man as she proved rock steady in her tracking and was only caught out by a danish twist she had never seen before. And we had not done any training since end July.
Your location is "centralbelt". I'll be near Perth on 30 Oct-2 Nov. Could we meet anywhere and develop this? Or would you be willing to come down if the next NGO dog4deer is at Lowther?
The Bavarians are already training with their own breed. I have only managed to locate 4 Hanoverians with papers in this country so that would hardly be a real trial.
I do not know anybody with ground near Mancester as well as the wllingness to lay the trails. Do you with any luck?

 

[barongcw]

Both kind of clubs exist. I know of one in belgium with about 25 members who only track. Other clubs only teach. Some do both.
As I said elsewhere the setting up of teaching clubs is beyond me but I can probably organise a "top dog" as you call it, tracking test.

 

[Jagare]

To enter a dog in a test here costs 400SK = £35. you have to do a novice class and get 3 firsts to become a champion. If you are holding a test it should be to judge how the individual dog tracks not how good it is against other dogs. You could have out of a field of 8 dogs say 6 worthy of a first . Its then for the judge/ judges to say who they think is the best of the bunch.
Its dificult to lay trails and judge more than about 8 dogs in a day and you must have fresh ground for every track.
I think that only people who have trained their own dogs should be aloud to enter.

 

[cookingfat]

Thankyou Alan,that's what happened last Sunday managed to lay six trails and just about get though them by 4 o,clock with lunch as well, and at the end of the day us the judges picked what we thought was the best dog.