And another - phenomenal quality of glass at the price point - low light performance is outstanding.Another vote for the Leica Amplus 6
Scope on a £1000 budget
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Bo Diddley
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Get one of these, you will not be disappointed.
Meopta offer a range of scopes that meet your defined requirements - a lot of them less than 1k.
StephenToast
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The OP is in Hampshire so I assume shooting muntjac.
Higher magnification comes in really handy when you have a muntjac in bracken brambles or nettles as it allows you to zoom in and pick a shootable part of an obscured animal.
I shoot quite a few muntjac this way inside 80yds with the magnification between 12 and 18 power.
Zeiss Diavari Victory all day (and well into the night too!).
6-24x56 but you'll struggle to get one for £1000, usually around £1100-1300.
4-16x56 not that common but do come on the market now & then.
Buy once cry once as they say.
6-24x56 but you'll struggle to get one for £1000, usually around £1100-1300.
4-16x56 not that common but do come on the market now & then.
Buy once cry once as they say.
Bo Diddley
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I doubt it would work with a rear NV add-on.
jthyttin
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It seems half the people giving "advice" in this thread either cannot read, or do not understand / have not used rear add-on. But it doesn't stop them blurting out nonsense.
Delta is safe choice.
billgatese30
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Add-ons often work better with budget-mid range scopes sometimes as the coatings which aid light transmission during the daytime can sometimes cause issues with NV from what I've read, but everyone's perception is different. If you already have the NV addon see if your local RFD will let you try it on a few display models now the nights are coming in darker?
I have shot muntjac a fair amount and disagree , if i was buying a scope specifically for shooting muntjac i might well go to 4X or less . The field of view and faster target acquisition through increased field of view and the fact that they are practically always on the move and having more of said cover in focus . To shoot into cover though isn't my preference at all there are so many things to get in the way of a bullet and deflect it into a wounding shot, i have seen it go wrong a good few times out on what looks like open forest rydes let alone the tangely mess of brambles , willow and blackthorn etc . Perhaps a Red dot might be good for this? but i haven't ever tried or even good open sights ? However like i say " Not keen " at shooting into cover especially on such a mobile target, where it can be generally a right SOB to track. Low light shooting with such a mag into such cover must be more than difficult on them . I do get the frustration of seeing one and not getting on it fast enough or see a clear shot but that is why the Muntjac has been so successful in increasing its range and numbers.
Personally i would like to use proper buck shot on them if it was about numbers , a staking friend uses 45/70 on them working on the bigger hole compensating for poorer placing of it and it can certainly keep straighter through the brambles and seems to work numbers wise but it is messy
If you want to use it with an NV rear add-on, then forget all the recommendations for fixed magnification scopes - they will not get the best out of any nv rear add-on because they lack the parallax adjustment needed when IR, rather than visible light passes through the scope.
Also the parallax needs to adjust down to 10 yards or less otherwise getting a focussed image of a target closer than around 100 yards when using IR will be difficult.
Finally, the lens coatings on the scope need to be "IR friendly" i.e they do not strongly attenuate IR as it passes through the scope
These final 2 conditions effectively eliminate any of the top end scopes like Swaro, Zeiss and S&B since they generally don't focus down to less than 50m and have lens coatings optimised for the blue light which predominates at dawn and dusk - which means they ain't very good with IR
The Delta Titanium 2.5-15x56 is about the best compromise available at present that has decent daytime performance, will work well with an NV rear add-on and is within your budget.
Even better for your budget is this For Sale: - Delta Titanium HD 2.5-15x50 **Reduced**
You're unlikely to see much, if any, difference between the 50 and 56mm objectives - and a 50mm objective will let you mount the scope lower on the rifle
Cheers
Bruce
Also the parallax needs to adjust down to 10 yards or less otherwise getting a focussed image of a target closer than around 100 yards when using IR will be difficult.
Finally, the lens coatings on the scope need to be "IR friendly" i.e they do not strongly attenuate IR as it passes through the scope
These final 2 conditions effectively eliminate any of the top end scopes like Swaro, Zeiss and S&B since they generally don't focus down to less than 50m and have lens coatings optimised for the blue light which predominates at dawn and dusk - which means they ain't very good with IR
The Delta Titanium 2.5-15x56 is about the best compromise available at present that has decent daytime performance, will work well with an NV rear add-on and is within your budget.
Even better for your budget is this For Sale: - Delta Titanium HD 2.5-15x50 **Reduced**
You're unlikely to see much, if any, difference between the 50 and 56mm objectives - and a 50mm objective will let you mount the scope lower on the rifle
Cheers
Bruce
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Len the dog
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Would also add that rear add ons have a base mag of at least 1.5x, therefore if you are using a minimum mag of say 6x then you are effectively using 9x minimum, this will severely restrict your field of view at closer ranges.
StephenToast
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There's no need to shoot them on the move, they are a mobile deer but they do stop and if you need to make them stop a shout or a whistle or a peep from a roe call works.
Most of the time shooting them in cover they are standing still looking at you or couched up. I have never had an issue with bullet deflection shooting a muntjac in the situation I describe. Where the magnificatiin helps is being able to identify a hole in the cover where there is a shootable bit.
Why ever you would go for lower magnification or red dot is beyond me, there's no need to shoot them running, in fact you don't really need to be that much quicker, or any quicker at all than any other deer species. you just need to understand them how they behave.
Len the dog
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OP wants to use rear add on NV.
You have mis quoted me some here but i 100% disagree about mag levels well into the teens . Lower mag is brighter in those shady spots , target acquisition is faster on lower magnification . All that plus the fact i can and many others can do head shoot bunnies at 6x with very low miss rates at 200 yards standing . Folks simply get addicted on higher magnification, its like crack regards addiction but neither does you much good no matter how you feel . Fact is to shoot into gaps in the brambles and general brush your well inside 100 and mostly under 50 yds. At 100 yards DSC lowland test requires the 4" group and was designed to be Iron sights achievable.
I have myself hit branches , saplings etc unseen using a high magnification scope in woodland and have witnessed others doing the same while shooting deer . Blowing up a sod of earth a few feet in front of your muzzle is not unknown hill stalking for the reasons mentioned
If it suits you fine but its not a line I might take personally , indeed i dont think i will ever buy another stalking scope that doesnt get down to 6x max or over 12x because i have no real use for it . Target work sure i want to see mirage etc but that's entirely different.
I shoot a lot of muntjac. I can guarantee that I would shoot much less if I was only using a 6x or less scope. I also take a lot of clients on muntjac. The ones with low mag fixed scopes miss out on a lot of opportunities that could be taken with a higher mag scope. The whole ‘low mag for woodland stalking’ thing is quite funny, if in a highseat I often wind up to 12 or 15 once the target is aquired if shooting through brash so I can place a bullet between branches. I can’t see why you would limit yourself in this day and age. With a good variable you can stalk on 4x mag, take quick shots as they present themselves and then wind up in mag if you need it.
I don’t think people read the original post very well. The op wasn’t asking what specifications he should look for in a scope, they specifically knew what they wanted in a scope so asked what scope with those specs is best in their price range? It’s like someone asking which pickup truck is best and then people popping up saying that they don’t need one and that they should get a golf
Morkai
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Not sure if you meant to quote me on this but it wasnt to the OP, just letting another member know how I aquire a target easily by using my non-scoped eye when the gun is shouldered.
All very true.
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