SD deer dog register
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countrryboy
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I actually posted something similar on the danish swchiss hound thread (didn't want to derail this 1).
Would it be possible to make the SD tracking register more accessable so it is easier to find trackers covering ur area. Either a list with dogs/handlers and areas or a map thing with the arrows (no idea how complicated it is to do) As at the moment i'm not sure how u find trackers/dogs in ur area, and i have tried. Possibly a sticky or button that list's all people with the tracking logo and their location and where they would travel too
I realise this is not 100% wot ur going for but would fill in in the meantime and possibly get stalkers in the habbit of phoneing for help when they need it
Would it be possible to make the SD tracking register more accessable so it is easier to find trackers covering ur area. Either a list with dogs/handlers and areas or a map thing with the arrows (no idea how complicated it is to do) As at the moment i'm not sure how u find trackers/dogs in ur area, and i have tried. Possibly a sticky or button that list's all people with the tracking logo and their location and where they would travel too
I realise this is not 100% wot ur going for but would fill in in the meantime and possibly get stalkers in the habbit of phoneing for help when they need it
I do think this is an excellent and responsible idea that I hope comes to fruition.
being able to call upon an experienced tracking dog and handler is a serious bonus.
you could form a list broken down into regions, with the Trackers contact details.
A bit like the Approved / credible witness list.
being able to call upon an experienced tracking dog and handler is a serious bonus.
you could form a list broken down into regions, with the Trackers contact details.
A bit like the Approved / credible witness list.
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Wolverine
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Widu said "working breed" but then I see no problem if a chihuahua can get to the required standard then fine,use it.
Working breed as they are the breeds that will be more suited to this type of work.
I believe that this is very doable with support from the right people,always have always will.
If it works in other countries,why not here.
For the benefit of us all.Mostly the deer/boar.
Buckaroo8
This is not an argument but although some dog breeds can track on ( artificial ) and find dead deer / boar, some breeds physical and mental capabilities are not suited to natural work situations.
TeyhaI retract my last post, maybe if we can get this together then for ease of finding an approved tracker it would make the job easier and quicker.
Regards Widu.
This is not an argument but although some dog breeds can track on ( artificial ) and find dead deer / boar, some breeds physical and mental capabilities are not suited to natural work situations.
TeyhaI retract my last post, maybe if we can get this together then for ease of finding an approved tracker it would make the job easier and quicker.
Regards Widu.
I'd have no problems with this.
Maybe a test panel to work for? I'm sure one or two from this site have the ability to judge a decent dog? If they don't mind attending some of these dogs for deer days, then that could be somewhere to test potential registered teams?
N.F.W.M
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There is no way that my dog could complete the suggested test. However she has found every deer, dead or wounded I have put her onto.
If anyone needs the use of a unregistered, untrained, unruly, feral dog and handler in the New Forest area please feel free to give me a shout.
Regards
Ed
If anyone needs the use of a unregistered, untrained, unruly, feral dog and handler in the New Forest area please feel free to give me a shout.
Regards
Ed
Wolverine
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Why couldn't your dog do that test?
Or is it just people are against tests?
cookingfat
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Ok,
This is where I am and I think its somewhere near..
I September we will be running tests for the third year and they go like this, shot site must be found within a 20 meter square then a 600 yard with two right angle turns that is at least three hours old with 100mm blood, this is a very basic puppy test but if your dog has never done any track training it will struggle, something more like a standard would go like this, again the shot site must be found, then 600 meters with two turns, a small back track and the trail 20 hours old with very little blood.
A real test would be 24 hour trail with no blood, many turns, 100 meter back track, a Star( that a track where a wounded animal mills about in a two and throw motion) then brings the animal to bay off a wounded bed ONLY JOKING PEOPLE... these tracks are very easy for a well trained tracking team, don't believe come and see for your self next time Kim is over.
TeyhaI I watch your Dog on the NGO day and from what I saw them and if the have but in the training the 20 hour standard test just be no problem.
Tony
This is where I am and I think its somewhere near..
I September we will be running tests for the third year and they go like this, shot site must be found within a 20 meter square then a 600 yard with two right angle turns that is at least three hours old with 100mm blood, this is a very basic puppy test but if your dog has never done any track training it will struggle, something more like a standard would go like this, again the shot site must be found, then 600 meters with two turns, a small back track and the trail 20 hours old with very little blood.
A real test would be 24 hour trail with no blood, many turns, 100 meter back track, a Star( that a track where a wounded animal mills about in a two and throw motion) then brings the animal to bay off a wounded bed ONLY JOKING PEOPLE... these tracks are very easy for a well trained tracking team, don't believe come and see for your self next time Kim is over.
TeyhaI I watch your Dog on the NGO day and from what I saw them and if the have but in the training the 20 hour standard test just be no problem.
Tony
N.F.W.M
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Don't get me wrong, I am not against the proposed idea. I am just stating that there will be many decent dogs that can track wounded deer who may take over the time limit of a test and may stray off the trail over 20m more than twice. I don't believe that we are currently in the position of other N European countries where they have a large number of deer dogs able to complete such a test.
Also to throw a further spanner in the works... Surely all 'Pro Stalkers' in the UK should have their own competent deer dogs. If not and they call on a member of any proposed deer dog register, why not be able to charge for your services ? The Pro Stalker is charging for his?
Please note I am not suggesting that a recreational stalker in need of a dog should be charged.
Regards
Ed
countrryboy
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It is actually a good point NFWM makes about pro stalkers if their using ur dog, but probably up to individuals to sort that out themselves
BUT the stalking/keeper world is a very strange 1, where people will often work quite hard doing 'volantry' work helping keepers or stalkers while they are getting paid for it.
Perhaps if u could work alongside/with the SD register and when u get ur dog up to a level u can get a different coloured logo to show u and ur dog are up to the standard, this would also allow stalkers to choose between a tested team or not, obviously depending on the deer injuries and distance to the team. (If lost a 'dead' deer possibly a untested closer team would do) But as someone said earlier depends on trust that A the deer is hit how the stalker say's it was hit and B the tracker is honest about the level he has trained dog too.
Would probably provide the most dog's that have some ability until the 'proper' register and training get's off the ground a bit more and a sort off network off regionalish training days/help for novices builds up
BUT the stalking/keeper world is a very strange 1, where people will often work quite hard doing 'volantry' work helping keepers or stalkers while they are getting paid for it.
Perhaps if u could work alongside/with the SD register and when u get ur dog up to a level u can get a different coloured logo to show u and ur dog are up to the standard, this would also allow stalkers to choose between a tested team or not, obviously depending on the deer injuries and distance to the team. (If lost a 'dead' deer possibly a untested closer team would do) But as someone said earlier depends on trust that A the deer is hit how the stalker say's it was hit and B the tracker is honest about the level he has trained dog too.
Would probably provide the most dog's that have some ability until the 'proper' register and training get's off the ground a bit more and a sort off network off regionalish training days/help for novices builds up
One thing worrys be here, and of course it may not be as it comes across in your post, you say you got a call from a stalker asking your help as a client had wounded a big buck.
Would he have asked for your help if it had been a button buck? I hope so!
I think we are already going a little off track, ( no pun intended) it should not matter who calls Pro or not, motorist , Police. No charge.
Reason- If you charge say £50 or £10 if someone wounds a small muntie worth £5 will they ring, answer = probably Not.
This has to be about ending suffering, if you believe that the pro should pay but not the recreational stalker sorry but your wrong lots of recreational guys are much better off than most Pro's. That sounds like a personal gripe to me and if we charge what if we fail to find the beast do we give the money back. It has to be no charge end of.
We need to agree a standard to get on the register first, before we worry about whether we call a registered team or an unregistered team.
Also hopefully the pro and everyone should ring someone on the register no matter how big the head of the beast or what sex it is if they need to.
Reason- If you charge say £50 or £10 if someone wounds a small muntie worth £5 will they ring, answer = probably Not.
This has to be about ending suffering, if you believe that the pro should pay but not the recreational stalker sorry but your wrong lots of recreational guys are much better off than most Pro's. That sounds like a personal gripe to me and if we charge what if we fail to find the beast do we give the money back. It has to be no charge end of.
We need to agree a standard to get on the register first, before we worry about whether we call a registered team or an unregistered team.
Also hopefully the pro and everyone should ring someone on the register no matter how big the head of the beast or what sex it is if they need to.
cookingfat
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Ed, you are not far off the mark with what you say, there are not many people who have the knowledge and the dog to meet a set standard at the moment, at this point in time is all about training people and there dogs to reach this standard, then maybe things can move along to a register because at this present time if a resister was to be started there would only be maybe a dozen on it at most because there are not that many tracking teams out there that could reach a standard.
not sure about charging for this service, maybe only to cover cost, I have been called out by pro stalkers and there clients have sometimes offered a tip but always say no.
Tony
cookingfat
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interesting question bogtrotter, I am ashamed to say that probably not, but would like to think that I would still get that call. education, education and training.......!
straightbetweentheeyes
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