Selling Venison

[SPAS 15]

Myself and two friends have land in one of the southern counties for deer stalking etc. Our land borders on another blokes permission in the next village and i have heard that he is selling venison he shoots in the local pub that has a restaurant to put on the menu. I know that he does not have any DSC qualifications and he is not a game dealer and i will not be making fuss about this but i was wondering what the legalities where regarding this on both parties?

Sorry i think i should of put this in Legal Issues.

 

[Noah]

He doesn't need a DSC qualification, he can do it by having a meat hygiene (large game] certificate which will give him a trained hunter ID No. Which you can achieve as a seperate qualification, but do get it automatically by successfully completing DSC1.
Mick

 

[SPAS 15]

Many thanks

 

[daw]

He should be registered as a food business with the local council

 

[British Shooting Services]

Not quite as straight forward as just holding a dsc1 or large game cert. Trained hunter only allows you to supply directly to family, friends or an approved establishment.

If you want to supply butchers or restaurants you need to be registered as a food business with your local authority (traceability and hygiene issues), but this only allows you to supply "in the skin" carcasses.

Supplying any "processed meat" which includes skinned or jointed carcasses requires you to be a registered food business and have an approved clean area that has been inspected and approved by your environmental health department. Your household kitchen may qualify as a clean area. There are members on SD who have gone through this process.

It is your responsibility to adhere to the regulations, being unaware of the law is not a defence. If you are unsure, call you local authority and ask what is required and if the property you intend to supply can accept carcasses "in the skin", be warned most are not authorised, hence the "Approved Game Handling Establishment"

 

[oxfordshirestalker]

Not quite as straight forward as just holding a dsc1 or large game cert. Trained hunter only allows you to supply directly to family, friends or an approved establishment.

If you want to supply butchers or restaurants you need to be registered as a food business with your local authority (traceability and hygiene issues), but this only allows you to supply "in the skin" carcasses.

Supplying any "processed meat" which includes skinned or jointed carcasses requires you to be a registered food business and have an approved clean area that has been inspected and approved by your environmental health department. Your household kitchen may qualify as a clean area. There are members on SD who have gone through this process.

It is your responsibility to adhere to the regulations, being unaware of the law is not a defence. If you are unsure, call you local authority and ask what is required and if the property you intend to supply can accept carcasses "in the skin", be warned most are not authorised, hence the "Approved Game Handling Establishment"

What counts as an 'approved establishment' in your top paragraph?

 

[British Shooting Services]

(England and Wales) an establishment or premises approved by Local authority or meat hygiene to accept carcasses in the skin. Scotland would be registered venison dealer.

 

[User00001]

The supply of wild game: a guide to food hygiene legislation | Food Standards Agency

Horses mouth, just follow the flow chart. Most seem to get it wrong especially with regard to registration as a food business.

 

[Pete6.5]

I might of totally miss read the post but what does it mater what qualifications or what he is doing to anyone else

 

[deerstalker.308]

I might of totally miss read the post but what does it mater what qualifications or what he is doing to anyone else

Well, probably because if he’s not conforming to the law, it has implications on us all, wild venison needs promoting, not bad press, if a contaminated carcass was sold to a pub/restaurant it would be a slur on the rest of the game meat market. It also begs the question if he is breaking one law, what’s to say he’s not doing similarly with others? Out of season, poaching etc, all the regulations are there to try and reduce this sort of risk.

 

[liongeorge]

Well, probably because if he’s not conforming to the law, it has implications on us all, wild venison needs promoting, not bad press, if a contaminated carcass was sold to a pub/restaurant it would be a slur on the rest of the game meat market. It also begs the question if he is breaking one law, what’s to say he’s not doing similarly with others? Out of season, poaching etc, all the regulations are there to try and reduce this sort of risk.

I'm with Pete on this one, nothing stopping meat hygiene qualified people putting poor carcasses into the system, in fact I have seen it many times. And how you then can expand that to him possibly being wildlife criminal of the year....it's more likely he is a local chap who has been supplying his local for years. Not wishing to have a go at the OP as they said they are not going to do anything about it but have you considered how you would feel if some outsiders came on to the land next to yours that you have shot for years in your village and started poking about in your business?

 

[Klenchblaize]

The supply of wild game: a guide to food hygiene legislation | Food Standards Agency

Horses mouth, just follow the flow chart. Most seem to get it wrong especially with regard to registration as a food business.

Thanks for this. Very helpful. I shall down-load and study tomorrow.

I have to admit I understood it to be as follows but note your doc is dated 2015:

"Supplying any "processed meat" (to a restaurant) which includes skinned or jointed carcasses requires you to be a registered food business ..............."

Cheers

K

 

[Apthorpe]

Well, probably because if he’s not conforming to the law, it has implications on us all, wild venison needs promoting, not bad press, if a contaminated carcass was sold to a pub/restaurant it would be a slur on the rest of the game meat market. It also begs the question if he is breaking one law, what’s to say he’s not doing similarly with others? Out of season, poaching etc, all the regulations are there to try and reduce this sort of risk.

My reading of the guidance Glyn kindly posted is that this guy isn't necessarily breaking any law - if he's supplying the carcase in fur. I've done similar in the past (when regulations may have been different) and most of the menu of the pub involved was derived in a similar manner.
I've had considerably more dodgy meat from outlets which are being heavily regulated than I have from what might be termed unregulated sources.....or even the road. Just before Christmas i had some partridges from an expensive and reputable London shop which were an absolute disgrace - they stank the car out in 5 minutes flat from the boot.

 

[deerstalker.308]

I'm with Pete on this one, nothing stopping meat hygiene qualified people putting poor carcasses into the system, in fact I have seen it many times. And how you then can expand that to him possibly being wildlife criminal of the year....it's more likely he is a local chap who has been supplying his local for years. Not wishing to have a go at the OP as they said they are not going to do anything about it but have you considered how you would feel if some outsiders came on to the land next to yours that you have shot for years in your village and started poking about in your business?

My reading of the guidance Glyn kindly posted is that this guy isn't necessarily breaking any law - if he's supplying the carcase in fur. I've done similar in the past (when regulations may have been different) and most of the menu of the pub involved was derived in a similar manner.
I've had considerably more dodgy meat from outlets which are being heavily regulated than I have from what might be termed unregulated sources.....or even the road. Just before Christmas i had some partridges from an expensive and reputable London shop which were an absolute disgrace - they stank the car out in 5 minutes flat from the boot.

sorry I was just answering a question as to why it was possibly an issue, the points raised are valid, and we don’t have enough facts, all I was saying is that the rules are there to protect us all, if someone has done somehtti f for years it doesn’t make it right, equally, the likelihood of a local pub being registered as game handling establishment is pretty low so I would assume (possibly wrongly),that someone is doing something they perhaps shouldn’t. But this is all irrelevant without the full facts.

 

[skywull]

I wonder if spas 15 might be trying to chuck some ***** at the other bloke to get him of his permission , all this story telling gets my goat, go ask the guy if you care that much about what enters the local food chain before you start throwing the brown stuff

 

[Milligan]

I wonder if spas 15 might be trying to chuck some ***** at the other bloke to get him of his permission , all this story telling gets my goat, go ask the guy if you care that much about what enters the local food chain before you start throwing the brown stuff

Struck me as a fair question. Maybe just take it on its merit without the acid?

 

[Klenchblaize]

Whatever the motivation for the post the fact is no stalker should be supplying their local pub with other than in-the-fur venison unless he/she is registered as a Small Food Business:

Of course if the pub is happy to accept carcasses in-the-fur they in turn must be registered as a SFB which is seldom the case!

K

 

[Klenchblaize]

And one final clarification you may find useful if wishing to supply a Game Dealer:

K

 

[the highlander]

Maybe spas 15 is trying to get more land at hi neighbours expense

 

[Klenchblaize]

That's already been suggested but no harm in seeking to turn the thread into something more useful by way of the above clarifications.

They may even help the stalker the Op' is referring to!

K