sending a sold firearm to a rfd

[Woodsmoke]

4) I fundamentally disagree with the practice of sending an FAC/SGC with an open authority through the post . . . . .

It doesn't take a genius to see how a stolen certificate with an open authority could be used to illegally acquire a firearm

Totally agree. I was even uneasy handing my still valid cert' back to the FEO during my recent renewal. I was told this is 'the new normal' too, and not to worry as 'it's the police that are holding them, after all'.

Still didn't feel right.

 

[Blaser243]

This means the police loose track of the rifle, it doesnt get notified if they write it in their book. Ticket to ticket is the new norm and works well with a notification of acquisition/disposal at each end.

Wrong I'm afraid - see Edinburgh's post - the RFD has to record it and you notify the police of that transfer, so the police can't loose track of it at any stage.

 

[Bds4roe]

Wrong I'm afraid - see Edinburgh's post - the RFD has to record it and you notify the police of that transfer, so the police can't loose track of it at any stage.

right. The rfd writes it in their book, no notification to any force, no link between buyer and seller on computer system, thats why rules changed

 

[Blaser243]

right. The rfd writes it in their book, no notification to any force, no link between buyer and seller on computer system, thats why rules changed

But you also have to notify the police who issued your certificate of the transfer to the RFD! No rules have changed. At least, no laws have changed. The police, once again, trying to write their own laws by calling it "best practice". For the reasons above, sending your FAC off to someone is not good practice, never mind best practice.

 

[JTO]

sending your FAC off to someone is not good practice, never mind best practice.

+1

 

[JTO]

I handed an old Webley 600 to a RFD about 30 years ago. Although it was on my SGC, he didn't want to see it and said he would deal with it, as a surrendered weapon, I suppose. I can't remember telling Plod about it. Perhaps I did.

 

[Bds4roe]

But you also have to notify the police who issued your certificate of the transfer to the RFD! No rules have changed. At least, no laws have changed. The police, once again, trying to write their own laws by calling it "best practice". For the reasons above, sending your FAC off to someone is not good practice, never mind best practice.

Youre really not getting it are you. I’ll make it simple..

1. Take gun to rfd a
2. Rfd a writes it in book
3. Notify fld that you have disposed of gun to rfd a, fld enters it into central computer system
4. Rfd a sends gun to rfd b and signs it out of book
5. Rfd b writes it in book
6. Rfd b signs onto buyer and signs out of book
7. Buyer advised their fld of acquisition and fld enter it into central system

the problem is the computer system cannot track the gun between the owners, if it goes into books inbetween. A neater way would to have rfd’s fill out tickets but you add final destination on transfer notification form

 

[Bds4roe]

And what the hell has best practice got to do with anything?

 

[rover]

Hi, I purchased a 223 of a member of SD. He handed rifle to his RFD who removed it of his ticket. My RFD received it put it on his register, phoned me he had received 223. I went along gave my ticket with required slot for it. He puts it onto my ticket, he also emailed/faxed my license branch that I had it. Job done no charge my end, as it was new calibre, I purchased mod bipod ammo etc he made some sales I received my rifle everyone is happy.

 

[EMcC]

Youre really not getting it are you. I’ll make it simple..
1. Take gun to rfd a
2. Rfd a writes it in book
3. Notify fld that you have disposed of gun to rfd a, fld enters it into central computer system
4. Rfd a sends gun to rfd b and signs it out of book
5. Rfd b writes it in book
6. Rfd b signs onto buyer and signs out of book
7. Buyer advised their fld of acquisition and fld enter it into central system
the problem is the computer system cannot track the gun between the owners, if it goes into books inbetween. A neater way would to have rfd’s fill out tickets but you add final destination on transfer notification form

Is that not a long winded version of my post at 17 ?

 

[bobjs]

Well

As said if I can't do a face to face I have always used the RFD to RFD system. I have always informed my Firearms department via an email that my rifle is now with Said RFD, and he has also done like wise informing his firearms department,

Under no circumstances will I ever post my cert to anyone other then My firearms department.(I used to send it recorded ) but was asked to send it just first class as they have to send someone to sign and collect recorded delivery mail. and it slows the process down.

I have Always used this and I hope to continue doing so, and on this case I will meet the chap 1/2 way as its only fair.

regards

bob.

 

[Bds4roe]

Is that not a long winded version of my post at 17 ?

The only thing long winded around here is you

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

right. The rfd writes it in their book, no notification to any force, no link between buyer and seller on computer system, thats why rules changed

Owner give to RFD
(Old) Owner notifies home police authority of disposal

RFD 1 enters it onto register

RFD 1 sends to RFD 2

RFD 2 enters it onto register

RFD 2 gives it to New Owner

RFD
New Owner notifies home police authority of acquisition


very clear paper trail from seller to new owner and onwards

 

[bobjs]

The only thing long winded around here is you

you can't stop yourself can you.

bob.

 

[bobjs]

Owner give to RFD
(Old) Owner notifies home police authority of disposal

RFD 1 enters it onto register

RFD 1 sends to RFD 2

RFD 2 enters it onto register

RFD 2 gives it to New Owner

RFD
New Owner notifies home police authority of acquisition


very clear paper trail from seller to new owner and onwards

cheers Ed,

I am so chuffed with this reply I'll have an extra bit of cake for lunch.

bob.

 

[Blaser243]

The only thing long winded around here is you

Youre really not getting it are you. I’ll make it simple..

1. Take gun to rfd a
2. Rfd a writes it in book
3. Notify fld that you have disposed of gun to rfd a, fld enters it into central computer system
4. Rfd a sends gun to rfd b and signs it out of book
5. Rfd b writes it in book
6. Rfd b signs onto buyer and signs out of book
7. Buyer advised their fld of acquisition and fld enter it into central system

the problem is the computer system cannot track the gun between the owners, if it goes into books inbetween. A neater way would to have rfd’s fill out tickets but you add final destination on transfer notification form

What I'm getting is that you are a condescending fool who likes to through his toys out of the pram when people disagree with him.

My two law degrees, professional qualifications and 20 years experience practising law (including in the field of firearms law) probably don't count for much. Sure you're right.

 

[sikamalc]

The only thing long winded around here is you

I think we need to calm down a bit please.

Edinburgh Rifles are RFD's and they are correct in how the whole process is undertaken. In any case IF anyone is unsure of the laws relating to firearms I would suggest that they contact their FEO or Police HQ firearms unit and ask them.

Either way we do not need these types of remarks.

Thank you

 

[Bds4roe]

What I'm getting is that you are a condescending fool who likes to through his toys out of the pram when people disagree with him.

My two law degrees, professional qualifications and 20 years experience practising law (including in the field of firearms law) probably don't count for much. Sure you're right.[/QUOT

 

[Frank Homes]

Sorry Malc Edinburgh Rifles are not correct in their interpretation in post 20 points 4,5 and 6 . This topic gets raised about every quarter and you will find numerous other threads on it.
This is as definitive and comprehensive as it gets by BASC,
https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2014/08/REMOTE-FIREARMS-TRANSACTIONS2.pdf

A stance also taken by the Gun Trade Association in advising their members.

So i suppose the answer is if you don't want to send your certificate to the seller don't buy firearms or shotguns remotely.

F

 

[Blaser243]

Is that supposed to be intimidating BDS4Roe? I know who you are, are you enjoying life at EDF these days?