sending your ticket to someone who's rifle you wish to buy

[25 Sharps]

Look at The Firearms Act 1968 s48(4). Which says the following:

"It is an offence for a person who is in possession of a firearm to fail to comply with a demand under section 48(1)A above (Which is the power of a Constable to require production of a certificate).
Points to Prove:
Date & location.
Being in possession of a firearm
Failed to comply with a demand
By constable to produce a valid certificate/document or show exemption
Sentence: Summary 6 months

On failure to provide a certificate, Section 48(2) does provide for a constable, when a certificate isn't produced to require the name and address and the power to seize any firearms. But read on to S48(4) to get the whole picture.

Of course in practice with radios and computers, any officer can check your certificate and entitlements (assuming all systems are go, as they say on Thunderbirds, or perhaps it was Stingray) so the requirement to produce, under this 1968 legislation made in an analogue world would hardly ever be made today.

Yes but that is the power to seize the firearm(s), not carrying in itself is not an offence the offence I would suggest in S48(4) would be not providing your address when requested but i may be wrong. Easiest thing to do is photograph the front sheet on your phone and carry that with you. Though as you say of the multiple times I've been stopped whilst in possession only once have I been asked to produce the certificate which I could not so he just radioed in after taking my details and the took note note of mine and my buddy's rifle calibre, then wished a good night's shooting.

 

[kenbro]

When I want to sell a firearm to somebody not local I give it to my local RFD to sell and then tell him where there is a buyer waiting for exactly what I have just given him to sell

And does y

So again, as in Miki’s example at post #20, both of you have committed an offence under S32 Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997

It’s also irrelevant that you’ve stated that the rifle was ‘given’ as that is specifically mentioned in S32(1)(a) as a qualifying act.

As per Glyn 1 above, I really don’t understand why people, especially RFDs, would put themselves on offer by doing it any other way than the legally approved method.

It’s not rocket surgery and is all laid out in easily understood language in the BASC Fact Sheet.
If FLDs are looking to clamp down on firearms ownership (when aren’t they!) then they’ll have an easy ride simply by following up on some of these unlawful transactions.

In the Manchester area the Police Firearms Section regularly meet with any RFDs that turn up and these very things have been discussed. (More than once).
Buyer must send Cert. to vendor to be filled in where appropriate before firearm can be sent to buyers RFD.
I know two RFDs (Both friends) who will not do it any other way (Although it’s possible to use another method legally) because they are putting theirselves at risk of losing the RFS status.
Can’t say that all RFDs in my area operate the same, their choice.
Regards,Ken.

 

[8x57]

Lmfao.

In the words of Errol Flynn

Quite frankly my dear I couldn't give a damn

Who cares lol.
Kjf

"Frankly my dear I couldn't give a damn."
I don't doubt that Errol Flynn muttered those words many times during his life just the same as all of us probably have at one time or other, but the quote is normally attributed to Clark Gable in the film Gone With The Wind.
Errol Flynn was the one more famous for his sword fighting skills and his alleged benevolent endowment.

 

[Island]

Lmfao.

In the words of Errol Flynn

Quite frankly my dear I couldn't give a damn

Who cares lol.
Kjf

As, one assumes, a licensed firearms owner did you really just post on a public forum (one that is regularly looked at by licensing authorities, whether "officially" or not) that you "couldn't give a damn" about doing something the way that is legally prescribed by the Firearms Act.....?

 

[bluesako]

well if i was buying a rifle private and it was my dream rifle i would drive the length of the country for it bs

 

[Kjf]

As, one assumes, a licensed firearms owner did you really just post on a public forum (one that is regularly looked at by licensing authorities, whether "officially" or not) that you "couldn't give a damn" about doing something the way that is legally prescribed by the Firearms Act.....?

Guilty m lud . Lol. I gave possession to an rfd . Hence ,No longer my firearm it's now the rfd's

I bid you farewell old bean lol

Kjf

 

[Kjf]

"Frankly my dear I couldn't give a damn."
I don't doubt that Errol Flynn muttered those words many times during his life just the same as all of us probably have at one time or other, but the quote is normally attributed to Clark Gable in the film Gone With The Wind.
Errol Flynn was the one more famous for his sword fighting skills and his alleged benevolent endowment.

Lol lol. I knew it was from some old actor.

Kjf

 

[Pedro]

The easy answer I suppose is to do it face to face. If I'm buying a rifle second hand, I'd really want to see it. The camera can lie. I've travelled 150 miles to get one, but made a day of it and included a shopping expedition and visited a relative. However, if you live in the Highlands and the seller is in Cornwall or somewhere, the rifle suddenly becomes significantly more expensive.

 

[bobjs]

Well having just had a visit from my works FLO I asked his thoughts on sending a certificate to a stranger. his words and reply ( not on your nelly ?)

how he sees it happen most days, SHORTENED VERSION,

seller hands item to his chosen RFD, that RFD sends the item to the buyers RFD, buyer pops in to examine the item, and is happy, RFD signs over the item on the buyers cert, job done ?

this is how he sees it happening....... so from the horses mouth you may say.

if the rifle was within a easy distance Iwould have gone and done a face to face, but as I and many others have stated, my ticket is like gold dust,

there are many others like BUT THIS ONE IS MINE

bob.

 

[Island]

Guilty m lud . Lol. I gave possession to an rfd . Hence ,No longer my firearm it's now the rfd's

I bid you farewell old bean lol

Kjf

So your RFD pays you money for your rifle, then RFD2 pays him for the rifle, then the buyer pays RFD2 for the rifle? Thus rendering both RFD's liable for VAT on the margin they made on the rifle when they "bought" it from each other?

Because if the "transferee" sends the money directly to the "transferor" then the sequence you describe is merely a deliberate avoidance of the legal requirements for the transfer of a firearm. The act of transferee sending money to the transferor implies a transaction, and the means of that transaction is dictated by UK legislation...

 

[Island]

Well having just had a visit from my works FLO I asked his thoughts on sending a certificate to a stranger. his words and reply ( not on your nelly ?)

how he sees it happen most days, SHORTENED VERSION,

seller hands item to his chosen RFD, that RFD sends the item to the buyers RFD, buyer pops in to examine the item, and is happy, RFD signs over the item on the buyers cert, job done ?

this is how he sees it happening....... so from the horses mouth you may say.

if the rifle was within a easy distance Iwould have gone and done a face to face, but as I and many others have stated, my ticket is like gold dust,

there are many others like BUT THIS ONE IS MINE

bob.

With respect, how your FLO sees it is entirely irrelevant. This forum is stuffed full to the brim of people complaining about FLO's interpreting the regulations to suit themselves. Which in this instance is what is happening. The actual law however, is quite clear...

 

[paul o']

while we are using actors with Quotes here's mine ( Now!! thats the way to do it ) said Mr punch !!

Well having just had a visit from my works FLO I asked his thoughts on sending a certificate to a stranger. his words and reply ( not on your nelly ?)

how he sees it happen most days, SHORTENED VERSION,

seller hands item to his chosen RFD, that RFD sends the item to the buyers RFD, buyer pops in to examine the item, and is happy, RFD signs over the item on the buyers cert, job done ?

this is how he sees it happening....... so from the horses mouth you may say.

if the rifle was within a easy distance Iwould have gone and done a face to face, but as I and many others have stated, my ticket is like gold dust,

there are many others like BUT THIS ONE IS MINE

bob.

 

[enfieldspares]

It was Stingray where "something" was "going to happen in the next half hour". Thunderbirds was all systems "go". I think? Fireball XL-5 was where they were all, when all was successfully accomplished, went "on our way home."

 

[Pedro]

Veering off topic massively, I know, but Fireball XL5 had some impressive scenes for the day. You really got an impression of size and majesty for that rocket. At least you did when you were around 5 or 6.

 

[reloader54]

"IT'S A PUPPET!!! "

 

[bobjs]

With respect, how your FLO sees it is entirely irrelevant. This forum is stuffed full to the brim of people complaining about FLO's interpreting the regulations to suit themselves. Which in this instance is what is happening. The actual law however, is quite clear...

its NOT my flo, I am in Wiltshire the chap that comes here is from hampshire, and to answer that one, I called the department that looks after me and was basically told the same.

so I will stick to keeping my ticket in my grubby mitt until the right gun close to home pops up.

bob.

 

[Highlandsjohn]

Well having just had a visit from my works FLO I asked his thoughts on sending a certificate to a stranger. his words and reply ( not on your nelly ?)

how he sees it happen most days, SHORTENED VERSION,

seller hands item to his chosen RFD, that RFD sends the item to the buyers RFD, buyer pops in to examine the item, and is happy, RFD signs over the item on the buyers cert, job done ?

this is how he sees it happening....... so from the horses mouth you may say.

if the rifle was within a easy distance Iwould have gone and done a face to face, but as I and many others have stated, my ticket is like gold dust,

there are many others like BUT THIS ONE IS MINE

bob.

I am afraid that doesn't make it right. I personally think its a crap idea but it is the new way to transfer a firearm and has been for some time unless face to face..

 

[Hornet 6]

so I will stick to keeping my ticket in my grubby mitt until the right gun close to home pops up.

bob.

And two months later you will be asking how to sell it without posting your certificate.

 

[Highlandsjohn]

Oh Neil you are a one,,but so true..

 

[bobjs]

And two months later you will be asking how to sell it without posting your certificate.

as normal Neil your wrong again,

you don’t need to post your ticket to sell a firearm, keep up old bean

bob