as normal Neil your wrong again,
you don’t need to post your ticket to sell a firearm, keep up old bean
bob
But you do to buy one in a remote transaction....
sending your ticket to someone who's rifle you wish to buy
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But you do to buy one in a remote transaction....
Chasey
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Just baught and sold a few rifles
One FtF so easy
First one I had to send away my cert he wouldn't have it any other way
Next one (barrel only) no problem didn't send cert just did it via RFD hand over RFD filled in my cert
Next one sold a 243 again didn't need to receive cert from purchaser
So it would appear rather like many things shooting related, its a post code lottery
Spoke to Kent Police about the need or not to send away my cert for filling in. They said they don't insist on it but some areas do and theres nothing I can do about it.
One FtF so easy
First one I had to send away my cert he wouldn't have it any other way
Next one (barrel only) no problem didn't send cert just did it via RFD hand over RFD filled in my cert
Next one sold a 243 again didn't need to receive cert from purchaser
So it would appear rather like many things shooting related, its a post code lottery
Spoke to Kent Police about the need or not to send away my cert for filling in. They said they don't insist on it but some areas do and theres nothing I can do about it.
Take advice on how to do it from your local RFD. I have done it two different ways (1 where I only exhibit to my local RFD and he signs new rifle on and , 2 where my cert goes to the selling RFD via recorded delivery).
Pay the fees, support the RFD network.
It really isn’t that complicated.
Pay the fees, support the RFD network.
It really isn’t that complicated.
Highlandsjohn
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Chasey said.. So it would appear rather like many things shooting related, its a post code lottery
Spoke to Kent Police about the need or not to send away my cert for filling in. They said they don't insist on it but some areas do and theres nothing I can do about
Exactly the case Mark..
Spoke to Kent Police about the need or not to send away my cert for filling in. They said they don't insist on it but some areas do and theres nothing I can do about
Exactly the case Mark..
The application of the legal requirement is, as you say Chasey, a postcode lottery.
I find it somewhat ironic however that in instances of deviation from statutory legislation (read: "interpretation"), or the relevant official guidance pertaining to, by FLO's we will bewail instances when it goes contrary to our desires (application of AOLQ, certain chambering's being rejected out of hand, conditions imposed contrary to H.O.G etc) but when the (obvious) misinterpretation of the legislation makes it easier for us we are happy to go along with it because "my FLO / Licensing Dept / RFD / mate down the pub (delete as appropriate) says that is the way to do it".
We can't have our cake and eat it too...
Harry mac
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I'm trawling through this thread at the moment and it's confusing and hard going. I often wonder if our firearms legislation is designed to be such; or is that just the pessimist in me?
Any way, as far as I can see, there is a simple and still legal way of getting this done.
You send your certificate via registered/recorded post to the seller's RFD and the seller fills in the table on your FAC in the dealer's presence and hands over the rifle. RFD then rings/e-mails you to confirm that the rifle is in his possession and you tx the money direct to the seller.
Seller's RFD then returns your FAC to you, again via recorded/registered post and forwards the rifle to your RFD. On the return of your FAC, you then collect the rifle you now own, showing the completed FAC to your nominated RFD. Both parties pay their respective RFDs their respective fees.
As far as I can see, this complies with the law, and you're not exposing your FAC to "some random off a forum".
Any way, as far as I can see, there is a simple and still legal way of getting this done.
You send your certificate via registered/recorded post to the seller's RFD and the seller fills in the table on your FAC in the dealer's presence and hands over the rifle. RFD then rings/e-mails you to confirm that the rifle is in his possession and you tx the money direct to the seller.
Seller's RFD then returns your FAC to you, again via recorded/registered post and forwards the rifle to your RFD. On the return of your FAC, you then collect the rifle you now own, showing the completed FAC to your nominated RFD. Both parties pay their respective RFDs their respective fees.
As far as I can see, this complies with the law, and you're not exposing your FAC to "some random off a forum".
As has been said before - if an FLO gives you bad advice and you follow it - he's maybe made a mistake, but you've maybe committed a crime.
Cheers
Bruce
Cheers
Bruce
Re recorded/registered post - when the police send out a certificate they send it second class.
This, of course has nothing to do with security - it's all about saving a few pennies
Cheers
Bruce
reloader54
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Harry mac
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The bit about recorded/registered post is purely so you have a record of the certificate's movements, and so you can track its progress on line. I'm not suggesting it's a legal requirement.
What you describe is exactly how it should be done, and how it was intended for it to be done.
Transferor completes transferee's paperwork as required by legislation, RFD's are engaged as bailee's to allow shipment of the firearm and the "face-to-face" transaction as required by legislation, and the fact that the paperwork is not sent to "some random chap from an internet forum", but rather a registered and vetted RFD, means that the security aspect is maintained.
However if we all accepted that the process is, in fact, not very difficult, and further accepted the onerous burden of not having your physical certificate in hand for 2 or 3 days, then we would have to find something else to be outraged about...
Correct you can do the transaction face to face, its really quite simple just read what it says on your FAC and may i remind you all, failure to abide by the conditions of your certificate can rusult in revokation.as normal Neil your wrong again,
you don’t need to post your ticket to sell a firearm, keep up old bean
bob
Ian.
Hornet 6
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as normal Neil your wrong again,
you don’t need to post your ticket to sell a firearm, keep up old bean
bob
Only going on what you said Bob.
Personally it's never affected me, If I want something I just go and get it.
Nowhere in this country is more than a days drive away.
Neil.
Orion
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It‘s not a postcode lottery at all, it’s either complying with the legislation or not, and if you and others involved in the transactions choose not to, then it does become a possibility that you’re either apprehended, (with a potential subsequent loss of FAC), or you get away with it.
Probably 9 times out of 10 nothing will come of it, but if the police decide that something becomes ‘of interest’ to them, and it doesn’t necessarily have to be you directly; it might be the errant RFD you’re dealing through, then everything gets put under the microscope - been there and have the tee shirt to prove it.
And it’s irrelevant whether it’s a complete rifle or a spare barrel, bolt face or moderator - all are classified as ‘firearms’.
reloader54
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if they ever get around to it.
well, good news had a call from the local constabulary, spoke to a very knowledgeable lady, and after clarification of a few points, I was told my variation was accepted and posted asap, along with an apology for the delay.
it arrived the very next day, with all I asked for granted. to be absolutely fair, I had a bit of a rant about them earlier, but as soon as it was actually in front of the person dealing with it it was sorted very quickly. a metaphor would be ,, If I take my car to a garage to be repaired, and they have to wait for parts, or finish another customers car first it doesn't make them bad mechanics.
so I can proceed with my purchases now and all is well in the world.
ps, she sounded lovely on the phone,, I bet she,s hot.
Hornet 6
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Good for you, but what we all want to know is, will you be posting your certificate to the seller of your next rifle
Neil.
reloader54
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yes, already done. It was one of the points of discussion with the lady in question.Good for you, but what we all want to know is, will you be posting your certificate to the seller of your next rifle
Neil.
reloader54
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firearms phoned me mid morning, after a brief discussion I was told it would be sent asap. it was on my doormat the next morning. I fail to see how first class could have any quicker.
Farmshooter
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reloader54
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It's hardly a "random punter" is it, both parties have been well and truly vetted before being given a FAC, and with the internet at our fingertips we can easily research the buyer/seller to the point of what colour front door he has.
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