Benelli m2
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So if this do happen how will it go about will it affect you on your next renewal say if you still got 4 years until renewal time it will affect you then
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Shame they can't put the same effort into a simple win win for both sides on the moderator issues.
I think I will get myself just one new 12 gauge, to cover the bases.
Benelli m2
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Also if it do go through and it becomes law on say February 10th for example that will mean all owners of shotguns will be in possession of a firearm without a licence
No it doesn't.
All shotguns are individually listed on current certificates.
We won't all suddenly find ourselves in possession of illegal firearms.
Whatever the outcome, there will be a transition period.
Well it’s an opportunity. Stop ****ing whinging and get after it
The organisations can argue the while thing is a dogs dinner and needs sorted out.
One for one variations are a waste of time. Get permission for rifle in a calibre group and you can buy and sell as you please without bothering the cops. Current system wastes police time and does nothing for safety. Calibre groups are used in NI ? So not radical.
Mods should not be on Certificates. Neither should additional barrels (you can only shoot one at a time)
Land checks are pointless. They add nothing to safety. Bin them. They just waste police time.
Storing large volumes of shotgun ammo has not been an issue to date so no need to change it. Competitive shooters buy in the 10,000+, never been a risk, impractical to change unless you want to effectively ban competitive shooting.
Etc etc.
The organisations can argue the while thing is a dogs dinner and needs sorted out.
One for one variations are a waste of time. Get permission for rifle in a calibre group and you can buy and sell as you please without bothering the cops. Current system wastes police time and does nothing for safety. Calibre groups are used in NI ? So not radical.
Mods should not be on Certificates. Neither should additional barrels (you can only shoot one at a time)
Land checks are pointless. They add nothing to safety. Bin them. They just waste police time.
Storing large volumes of shotgun ammo has not been an issue to date so no need to change it. Competitive shooters buy in the 10,000+, never been a risk, impractical to change unless you want to effectively ban competitive shooting.
Etc etc.
Agreed. The greatwr risk to public safety is that the police are unable to perform well because they've tied themselves up in rafts of useless admin and red tape - clearing land for calibres, open/closed certs., one for one and over soecific variations, conditions about use and quarry, asking people to log reloading, dealing with the vast amount of queries generated, inconsistent application of law by area, silly rules about muzzle energy etc.etc etc.
Tweaked that a bit... No doubt some forces aren't doing themselves any favours, but each time new legislation is introduced it's nothing but a pain in the proverbial for licencing departments...
Truth is the Police will welcome anything that results in a perceived reduction in exposure to a charge of having "got it wrong" when next a Licence/Certificate holder goes rogue.
I'm certain that in their ideal world the issuing of Licences/Certificates would have nothing to do with the Police beyond providing the Government Department tasked with such responsibility, access to criminal records.
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I'm certain that in their ideal world the issuing of Licences/Certificates would have nothing to do with the Police beyond providing the Government Department tasked with such responsibility, access to criminal records.
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Ah, of course. Early onset stupidity made me completely forget that
The majority of it is generated by the police forces via the FELWG, their own individual random behaviour and changes they lobby the Home office to make. The Home Office is a shambles, but the police are often worse. The massive variations in licensing performance between police forces is not attributable to the Home Office. Some forces make it work reasonably, many are screwing it up deliberately.
To be fair to you a lot of feo's seem to think you do need a good reasonAh, of course. Early onset stupidity made me completely forget that
You do still need a Good Reason for a Section 2, it’s in the Statutory Guidance… although it’s worded differently to a Section 1…
Grant:
Section 28(1) of the 1968 Act:
Subject to subsection (1A) below, a shotgun certificate shall be granted or, as the case may be, renewed by the chief officer of police if he is satisfied that the applicant can be permitted to possess a shotgun without danger to the public safety or to the peace.
(1A) No such certificate shall be granted or renewed if the chief officer of police-
Grant:
Section 28(1) of the 1968 Act:
Subject to subsection (1A) below, a shotgun certificate shall be granted or, as the case may be, renewed by the chief officer of police if he is satisfied that the applicant can be permitted to possess a shotgun without danger to the public safety or to the peace.
(1A) No such certificate shall be granted or renewed if the chief officer of police-
- has reason to believe that the applicant is prohibited by this Act from possessing a shotgun; or
- is satisfied that the applicant does not have a good reason for possessing, purchasing or acquiring one.
Can you post a link to that bit of info, please?
Thank you. That's interesting.
Fortunately, there's no definition in law that I'm aware of at the moment in what "good reason" should look like. Therefore if - as an example only - one were to assert they are a collector of fine and/or interesting shotguns, Condition A1/2 would at my reading be met unless the Cheif Officer in question is able to provide a coherent narrative for his/her objection to the grant.
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