Shooting through brush?

[Heym SR20]

An interesting little video shooting 30-30 and 308 through brush at a deer sized target. For those who think you can, or you have had an unexplained miss

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

Interesting- IMO it really wasn't consistent enough to show some calibres being better than others at it. More that any bullet can get deflected really easy and we should avoid clipping anything unless the branch is right next to the animal.

 

[8x57]

I saw this video the other day and my initial thought was that Ron Spomer must have been struggling to find a suitable subject to put on his regular Youtube channel.
Similar experiments on bullet deflection have been carried out and reported on (usually far more scientifically) on a regular basis in various shooting magazines going back donkey's years. My first encounter with such an experiment was in Hatcher's note book.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

I saw this video the other day and my initial thought was that Ron Spomer must have been struggling to find a suitable subject to put on his regular Youtube channel.
Similar experiments on bullet deflection have been carried out and reported on (usually far more scientifically) on a regular basis in various shooting magazines going back donkey's years. My first encounter with such an experiment was in Hatcher's note book.

The first pop up on this page was link to a free pdf download (Internet Archive) of this book if anyone is interested.

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[Namman]

I saw this video the other day and my initial thought was that Ron Spomer must have been struggling to find a suitable subject to put on his regular Youtube channel.
Similar experiments on bullet deflection have been carried out and reported on (usually far more scientifically) on a regular basis in various shooting magazines going back donkey's years. My first encounter with such an experiment was in Hatcher's note book.

I remember Guns and Ammo carrying out tests in the 70's using various calbres and bullet styles . They used a "hedge " of wooden dowels in front of a target.
The conclusion was all types of bullet deflected equally thereby disproving the myth of so called brush buster cartridges.

 

[8x57]

I remember Guns and Ammo carrying out tests in the 70's using various calbres and bullet styles . They used a "hedge " of wooden dowels in front of a target.
The conclusion was all types of bullet deflected equally thereby disproving the myth of so called brush buster cartridges.

Yes I remember that article well.

 

[VSS]

The tutor of my DSC1 course, Patrick Faulkner, had done some similar experiments shooting through dense standing corn. His conclusion was that only a heavy slow bullet could do it.

 

[HonestJohn]

Creating news by repeating the known

 

[Mungo]

The tutor of my DSC1 course, Patrick Faulkner, had done some similar experiments shooting through dense standing corn. His conclusion was that only a heavy slow bullet could do it.

I’ve shot through grass a couple times. But only when there was a thin screen and it was right up close to the animal.

 

[8x57]

The tutor of my DSC1 course, Patrick Faulkner, had done some similar experiments shooting through dense standing corn. His conclusion was that only a heavy slow bullet could do it.

As much as I like and respect Patrick I would have to disagree with him there unless what he actually said was conditional, and go along with Mungo in that it has to be a very thin screen of grass and also very close to the target to minimise deflection. Even then I've seen light weight high velocity bullets significantly deflected by a few blades of grass.
Some of the reports I've read stated that only something like a .50BMG round is relatively unaffected by shooting through cover and not many of us use one of them for stalking or foxing.

 

[VSS]

As much as I like and respect Patrick I would have to disagree with him there unless what he actually said was conditional, and go along with Mungo in that it has to be a very thin screen of grass and also very close to the target to minimise deflection. Even then I've seen light weight high velocity bullets significantly deflected by a few blades of grass.
Some of the reports I've read stated that only something like a .50BMG round is relatively unaffected by shooting through cover and not many of us use one of them for stalking or foxing.

He was using a big calibre firing heavy slow bullets, through a considerable distance of standing corn.
I forget which calibre, but I seem to recall that it was something larger than most of us would generally use for stalking.

 

[tackb]

I remember Guns and Ammo carrying out tests in the 70's using various calbres and bullet styles . They used a "hedge " of wooden dowels in front of a target.
The conclusion was all types of bullet deflected equally thereby disproving the myth of so called brush buster cartridges.

i have a similar article in a gun digest (old one) at home , basically it doesn't matter the projectile obstructions will affect it's flight and it's completely unpredictable ! they even tried a round ball from a 12 bore the theory being that whichever way the ball is facing is forwards - made no difference !

 

[Heym SR20]

My own experience last year. Roe buck at 50 odd yard. Light screen of grass. 7mm 140gn bullet. Aimed at the shoulder. A complete miss.

A few moments later it offered a clear shot so shot it again and it dropped on the spot. No sign of any hit from the first shot.

Buck was a really old boy looking kind of doddery - and probably explains why it didn’t run at the first shot.

 

[Greenmist]

This was covered years ago in a quite informative video called "Deadly weapons" (careful if you google that as, it shares the title with a film that does not involve shooting, well not shooting guns ) by a retired FBI officer, covered lots of calibres in lots of scenarios

 

[Mungo]

Has anyone done similar to see what happens to bullets that pass through a deer?

For years I’ve wanted to set up a roe deer carcass (or similar) in front of a big sheet of cardboard and shoot through the carcass from a realistic stalking range.

 

[Heym SR20]

Has anyone done similar to see what happens to bullets that pass through a deer?

For years I’ve wanted to set up a roe deer carcass (or similar) in front of a big sheet of cardboard and shoot through the carcass from a realistic stalking range.

There was an article a few years in a German hunting magazine on what happens to bullets once they go through a boar. Quite a lot of shrapnel comes out the far side - bits of bullet, bone fragments etc in pretty much a 45° cone from the exit hole centred on the line of the bullet pathway.

The conclusion was that to avoid potential injury of boar in a herd / group you should shoot the furthest one away, rather than the closest when there are others close by.

A lot of the “shrapnel” would inflict non lethal injuries but sufficient to cause nasty wounds such as loss of an eye.

It was a German Hunting Magazine from 2018 - I remember reading it and discussing it when I was over there.

 

[geoshot]

Has anyone done similar to see what happens to bullets that pass through a deer?

For years I’ve wanted to set up a roe deer carcass (or similar) in front of a big sheet of cardboard and shoot through the carcass from a realistic stalking range.

The Norma Academy has a few videos, mostly about boar, buty here's one about roe

they have others on their website

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Has anyone done similar to see what happens to bullets that pass through a deer?

For years I’ve wanted to set up a roe deer carcass (or similar) in front of a big sheet of cardboard and shoot through the carcass from a realistic stalking range.

Standard tracking dog training method in Germany but using old white bedsheets rather than cardboard to more easily see the splatter & bits of bone etc.

 

[Deermanagement]

Has anyone done similar to see what happens to bullets that pass through a deer?

For years I’ve wanted to set up a roe deer carcass (or similar) in front of a big sheet of cardboard and shoot through the carcass from a realistic stalking range.

You don't want to know

 

[Klenchblaize]

One more "reason" for an ALQ approved earschplittenloudenboomer down the pan!

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