Shotgun theft

[jimbo1984]

Locked vehicle. Shotgun hidden from view. As far as I'm concerned these meet the 'reasonable precautions' criteria.

I'm fairly sure the police will take a similar view. Far too many people seem to hold the opinion that they're all anti-firearms Nazis, hell-bent on persecuting law-abiding citizens for the sake of it.

I’d say that view is well deserved , to be honest if the forend isn’t removed I’d say he’s had it . I hope im wrong though

 

[Dexter]

You're assuming all these things as well.
You're the sort of person with all your knowledge that I made the decision to sell all my Encylopedia Britannica.

Sorry Pat but as has already been pointed out to you by Slider (who clearly went to school and learnt to read) I'm not assuming anything! The Knowledge was provided for me in the very first post. What would have been the first thing that you would have done when you realised that you firearm had been nicked? Exactly!

 

[Primate]

Ok. Gun was in a case behind drivers seat. Hidden under overalls. Farmers Mrs sees two scrotes reaching into broken window and fleeing in a BMW. 2 buddies took chase and filmed it on a phone, so pretty good evidence. Cops now arrived on scene and helicopter overhead. I think "reasonable precautions " have been taken i.e. locked car in open view daylight outside an occupied house with a witness to the whole thing. But , naturally my pal is panicking.

Where did this happen?

 

[Dexter]

I’d say that view is well deserved , to be honest if the forend isn’t removed I’d say he’s had it . I hope im wrong though

Sorry Jimbo but from the description given, the guy has complied with the requirements of his FAC. The police aren't the law and none of us can hold our firearms in our hands 24/7 when it's not in our cabinet. The judges (who are often also FAC holders) know that. The CPS (Who are barristers) also know that. The police don't constantly embarrass themselves by trying the CPS with cases that they know would fail either. Now it would appear on face value that this guy was very unlucky and targeted. That doesn't make him unfit to hold an FAC. However, I also appreciate that we have only heard one side of the story but have no reason to believe that it's not true.

 

[Pedro]

Hard to make an informed decision on whether his certificate is at risk really. Depends on so many variables, some of which we may not know. A bit of speculation is always good fun though.

However, after all the doom and gloom above, here's hoping he gets his gun back, the thieves are caught and get a suitable sentence and there's no revocation. Always look on the bright side of life....

 

[Mike L]

Sorry Jimbo but from the description given, the guy has complied with the requirements of his FAC. The police aren't the law and none of us can hold our firearms in our hands 24/7 when it's not in our cabinet. The judges (who are often also FAC holders) know that. The CPS (Who are barristers) also know that. The police don't constantly embarrass themselves by trying the CPS with cases that they know would fail either. Now it would appear on face value that this guy was very unlucky and targeted. That doesn't make him unfit to hold an FAC. However, I also appreciate that we have only heard one side of the story but have no reason to believe that it's not true.

You are assuming he holds a FAC, maybe he holds a SGC?

 

[jimbo1984]

Sorry Jimbo but from the description given, the guy has complied with the requirements of his FAC. The police aren't the law and none of us can hold our firearms in our hands 24/7 when it's not in our cabinet. The judges (who are often also FAC holders) know that. The CPS (Who are barristers) also know that. The police don't constantly embarrass themselves by trying the CPS with cases that they know would fail either. Now it would appear on face value that this guy was very unlucky and targeted. That doesn't make him unfit to hold an FAC. However, I also appreciate that we have only heard one side of the story but have no reason to believe that it's not true.

Like I say I hope I’m wrong but in my area if the Forend isn’t removed that would be the end of your ticket , the polices aim is to see less firearms in private ownership we see this time and again

 

[Dexter]

You are assuming he holds a FAC, maybe he holds a SGC?

Perdantic.com. Please tell me what the difference is when it comes to security then Mike.

 

[hedge hunter]

Richard what ever the out come please keep us posted

 

[Mike L]

Perdantic.com. Please tell me what the difference is when it comes to security then Mike.

No, not pedantic at all, just my opinion but I believe the police would be more lenient with a SGC holder than a FAC holder.

 

[Dexter]

No, not pedantic at all, just my opinion but I believe the police would be more lenient with a SGC holder than a FAC holder.

It's not April 1st Mike. More shotguns are used in crime than rifles by a mile, therfore I suspect that it's actually more serious to lose your shotgun but it would make no difference legally.

 

[jimbo1984]

No, not pedantic at all, just my opinion but I believe the police would be more lenient with a SGC holder than a FAC holder.

Brilliant You have indeed been taught well , good job

 

[Dexter]

Like I say I hope I’m wrong but in my area if the Forend isn’t removed that would be the end of your ticket , the polices aim is to see less firearms in private ownership we see this time and again

Have you got proof of either of those statements Jimbo? I would genuinely be interested to see them if you have.

 

[jimbo1984]

Have you got proof of either of those statements Jimbo? I would genuinely be interested to see them if you have.

My licensing authority is very strict I was present on my brother in laws recent fac and sgc grant interview , the above scenario was discussed and he was told in no uncertain terms that bolt removed or forend removed was the only option if said firearms were in a vehicle . It’s a well known fact that the police have an agenda to reduce the number of firearms out there there is a report I saw on here a while ago ( must admit I forget which thread ) which went along the lines of “ a reduction in the number of privately owners firearms would be a desirable outcome “

 

[JabaliHunter]

Just to go off on a tangent - I've never fully understood the rationale for removing the fore-end. It might be inconvenient, but doesn't prevent the gun from being used (at least not mine - don't ask me how I know ).

 

[Alantoo]

Just to go off on a tangent - I've never fully understood the rationale for removing the fore-end. It might be inconvenient, but doesn't prevent the gun from being used (at least not mine - don't ask me how I know ).

That point came up in an earlier similar thread.

Just removing bits is not necessarily the be all an end all.

I remember having a meal in a pub in the Forest on the way to the range one night when two likely lads in camouflage jackets walked in for a drink. They were both sporting rifle bolt holsters on their belts. We discussed at the time that as far as rifle security goes they were the ones that would be mugged in the car park.

Alan

 

[windygun]

Just to go off on a tangent - I've never fully understood the rationale for removing the fore-end. It might be inconvenient, but doesn't prevent the gun from being used (at least not mine - don't ask me how I know ).

The fore end has to be fitted to re cock the hammers on an o/u or sbs shotgun, so essentially it can only be fired twice before its scrap.

 

[VSS]

The fore end has to be fitted to re cock the hammers on an o/u or sbs shotgun, so essentially it can only be fired twice before its scrap.

If you remove the forend then fire it onto snap caps it cannot then be fired again - not even twice - until reunited with its forend.

 

[I. Farticus]

If you remove the forend then fire it onto snap caps it cannot then be fired again - not even twice - until reunited with its forend.

That's my learning curve for today! Didnt know that

 

[Frank Homes]

If you remove the forend then fire it onto snap caps it cannot then be fired again - not even twice - until reunited with its forend.

But can’t you cock it manually by forcing the cocking levers against a wall or any other hard surface?

F