Not at all. Anticipating would suggest that they think that he probably will have his certificate revoked. I don't think for one minute that anyone on here can predict that. Not knowing the full details 100% I would imagine that they're just playing it safe just in case?
Shotgun theft
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CarlW
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Richard Parsons
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Just playing it safe to be ahead of any revocation until investigated.
Ok, ok, hammer guns excepted!One of mine can. My 12 bore hammer gun can be used without forend as could my old 450/400 William Powell rifle, it being a side by side hammer.
(Come to think of it, I've got two hammer guns tucked away at the back of the cabinet, so should've remembered that
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enfieldspares
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Lodging with an RFD does however depends on that RFD's strength of character. Some are spineless and gutless. Like the one that runs Leicester Shooting Centre.
When a few years ago I was "invited to attend" for "an arrest by appointment" I lodged my shotguns and rifles with three people.
A Norfolk RFD/Auction House, a friend on his SGC, the RFD at Leicester Shooting Centre.
All three were visited by the police the same day and asked to transfer the weapons to the police
The Norfolk people refused, the friend with the SGC refused. Leicester Shooting Centre meekly complied.
So "lodging with an RFD" trusts the individual will have a backbone...not instead a one foot wide yellow streak.
When a few years ago I was "invited to attend" for "an arrest by appointment" I lodged my shotguns and rifles with three people.
A Norfolk RFD/Auction House, a friend on his SGC, the RFD at Leicester Shooting Centre.
All three were visited by the police the same day and asked to transfer the weapons to the police
The Norfolk people refused, the friend with the SGC refused. Leicester Shooting Centre meekly complied.
So "lodging with an RFD" trusts the individual will have a backbone...not instead a one foot wide yellow streak.
Ok, ok, hammer guns excepted!
(Come to think of it, I've got two hammer guns tucked away at the back of the cabinet, so should've remembered that
My dear old El Chimbo folding .410 hammer gun (just like the one in your excellent Viable Self Sufficiency book) needs a screwdriver to take the fore-end off...but it isn't just hammer guns...
My Mossberg 510 Hushpower pump action is un-fore-end removable with ease...let alone the 20 bore O/U Hushpower Investarm which doesn't have a fore-end at all!
Alan
Yes, that does show some responsibility from the cert. holder. But it's not impossible that the cops could call around and say that a decision on the certificate(s) is pending and in the meantime, we'll take your firearms now. We all know that they would in all likelihood be plonked in a police armoury any old how with seized rusty whatevers awaiting destruction and after a decision of no further action, it'll be a nuisance getting them (hopefully) back.
Dunwaters
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Theres the EU weapons directive, updated 1 Sept, from memory it requires firearms to be transported in a case with the firing mech removed and kept separated. Ammunition is to be kept in a separate locked box while in transit.
Richard Parsons
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Yes as I also thought. Appointment with police is now booked. Of course if the SGC is revoked guns cannot be seized and mishandled if safely at our local RFD. Stay at least two steps ahead I think.
That may be the case however, without the directive it's just hearsay. Regardless, the victim here doesn't appear to have done anything against that directive even if it were true. However I very much doubt that the directive is what you state as I'm sure that we would have heard about it before now if it was as most of us don't store our ammunition in a separate locked box whilst it's in transit.
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Richard, do please let us know what happens. Hopefully all will turn out well for him.
Damn it, yes, I forgot about the El Chimbo too! That's my wife's gun.
CarlW
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IIRC, the changes you describe are decisions made domestically in Ireland and introduced under cover of the implementation of the EU directive (which deals with other issues, but which also permits member states to apply more restrictive requirements than those set out in the EU rules). That Irish legislation has no application in the UK.
JabaliHunter
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EU Directives only take effect if transcribed into U.K. law. If this is required, then the Directive usually includes a ratification period. I’m not aware of any change in U.K. law relating to firearm security
Thank you Carl. As I though. Not true! Why people have to mention such stuff on here without the actual and without any certainly that's it's even relevant is beyond me. It just muddies the waters.
Dunwaters
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Guys I raise the point because it is relevant, you're still in the EU so the firearms directive applies. The directive specifies the minimum standard applicable, individual states can specify a higher level if they wish.
I don't know whether the UK has formally actioned the directive yet, but we have.
CarlW
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As I explained earlier, ROI have actioned it and your government have specified a higher requirement, as allowed under EU law.
Nowhere in the directive is there an instruction to follow the rules you describe here:
Those are Irish rules; not European ones and not British ones. The directive explicitly leaves room for member states to define the specifics of the firearms transportation requirements appropriate to their jurisdiction.
Hook'N'Bullet
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Are there any laws stating that a gun cant be left in attended in a vehicle regardless of if its out of view etc?
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