Silver labrador

[Morkai]

She’s KC reg pure lab but by genetic code she can only get her silver gene from Weimaraner (there are other crosses that can, but most prob weim) all the silvers go back to American imports that came from Kellogg kennels who happened to also breed Weimaraners. She very occasionally points and has some very distinctive weimaraner physical traits. If she was black I’d definitely believe someone who told me she was pure lab just an athletic line of the breed.

I'd never heard of these before, just had a look at them, a lovely looking animal.

I know Woodsmoke has gone now but don't really see the fuss.

If you have a nice dog in good health, does what you want it to, has a good temperament and is good company then it matters not what the breed is.

Also, breeding silvers isnt exactly going to take over and wipe out the existence of 'pure' Labs.

Chuck a picture up of her if you wouldn't mind.

 

[Chriscotter]

 

[viking90]

It's interesting this came up, it was only a few days ago a mate of mine asked me if I'd ever heard of a "silver lab" before (he's taking his weimaraner to training classes and there was one there)

 

[Chriscotter]

 

[Chriscotter]

 

[deerstalker.308]

She’s KC reg pure lab but by genetic code she can only get her silver gene from Weimaraner (there are other crosses that can, but most prob weim) all the silvers go back to American imports that came from Kellogg kennels who happened to also breed Weimaraners. She very occasionally points and has some very distinctive weimaraner physical traits. If she was black I’d definitely believe someone who told me she was pure lab just an athletic line of the breed.

I’m sure there are recessive genes in pure labs which have been capitalised on my “some” additional to those with other genetics being added

 

[jimmy milnes]

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That looks to me more SRP blood than W blood matey,
I'm sure it's ya best mate either way
Jimmy

 

[Dunwaters]

That's hilarious, but I fully agree. Some bright spark must have introduced greyhound into the mix at sometime, which in my opinion did work, but I really don't like 'designer' dogs.

All recognised breeds are “ designer” dogs.

 

[Dunwaters]

Braver man than me

Thats not brave, its well into the realm of foolhardy.

 

[Chriscotter]

Fair c

All recognised breeds are “ designer” dogs

Fair comment, I suppose they’ll all be bred for a reason just a shame nowadays they sacrifice health to get some desired traits

 

[Tegner]

What colour is on the registration document, as far as I'm aware the KC only recognise black & yellow

 

[deerstalker.308]

What colour is on the registration document, as far as I'm aware the KC only recognise black & yellow

This has expanded considerably now

 

[Dunwaters]

Dogs are a commodity, if a market exists someone will fill it.
Provided the dogs are healthy and fit for purpose what’s the problem?

 

[levigsp]

My agreement is entirely based on my disdain for unscrupulous and unnecessary breed manipulation for the purpose of profit. The breed has absolutely no need of a silver variation, and I'm pretty sure I won't be alone

By your reply I presume you understand very little of the Labrador breed anyway, “a small gene pool” all Labradors go back to a tiny gene pool and 2 smongrel studs (st John water dogs) from the earl of malmesbury (Canadian imported cross breeds). The only only colour recognised was black. But as people bred in other breeds to develop the dogs traits chocolate and red emerged. All dogs are mongrels!!!!! They are mix of other animals to develop physical and mental traits to improve a “breed” and as for been the brainchild of an idiot I suggest you read more veterinary studies and less Facebook, the 4 genetic examinations of “silver Labrador’s carrying the dd gene shows no abnormal dna influence including the Weimaraner breed. Your whole response is the reason I asked for owners opinions rather than Facebook experts but thanks anyway

Once a dog is accepted by the kennel club of any country its Breed standard in theory is set in stone.
So the true Labrador is either Black, chocolate/liver or yellow, red is a newish term and never heard of some years ago and silver never. As for the dna tests, I suggest you read some more and consider whats said.
Some Uk Labrador breeders have deliberately crossed them with border collies, for added speed and send out for dog trials.
When tested for DNA, the answer is that the genes are so similar its not possible to give 100% answer on breeding once they are back crossed 2 generations.
So if you cross a labrador with anything and back to labrador a few times, unless you spent a huge sum of money on tests, you would never know your dogs were not labs.

 

[levigsp]

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[countrryboy]

Thr old trainers saying off " a good dog is never the wrong colour, " is very true.

Glad it's working out for u.

As far as I see it, if ur dog carries on being a great worker yhe next step is too breed off it.
But that's where u have a problem.

And exactly where the problems arose for chocolates and will arise in the future for dark yellows ( ŕfuse to call them reds).
The actual colour itself can't make too much difference as u can get all 3 colours in same litter, so very similar genetics.
The problem is when u repeatedly mate sub standard dogs purely for colour/money

If ur dog is a pure lab and u decide just to put it to the best sire for ur dog, no problem.

If u try to find another silver lab can't imagine a very wide choice of genuine decent working dogs. And even if u find a decent 1 or 2 after that it will be a big struggle finding unrelated dogs to breed off.

I'm boring, I just like dogs to do there job, got a mix of breeds and 2 mongrals.
But the ABL (anonymous black lab) is very hard to beat as an around dog.

Ps in theory u can train any dog to point/sett of sorts.
My old lab and his son point slightly althou not realibly and done too much picking up now to really notice it when on sent and many top FT spaniel boys are now training there spaniels to pause before they flush game. Many now flush on command
So there does not necessary need to be hpr in the lines just because its pointing, they may well thou?.
Is there not an old book called the pointing labrador?
I can imagine in flint lock days it would be a massive bonus.

 

[MagicLantern]

That's not silver, that's more Worn-in Ridgeline Brown. It's a Labrador. What more could any man want?

But, I'd lose her/him in my wardrobe.

 

[dennisgrm]

I actually like the look of them.

 

[Chriscotter]

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Thr old trainers saying off " a good dog is never the wrong colour, " is very true.

Glad it's working out for u.

As far as I see it, if ur dog carries on being a great worker yhe next step is too breed off it.
But that's where u have a problem.

And exactly where the problems arose for chocolates and will arise in the future for dark yellows ( ŕfuse to call them reds).
The actual colour itself can't make too much difference as u can get all 3 colours in same litter, so very similar genetics.
The problem is when u repeatedly mate sub standard dogs purely for colour/money

If ur dog is a pure lab and u decide just to put it to the best sire for ur dog, no problem.

If u try to find another silver lab can't imagine a very wide choice of genuine decent working dogs. And even if u find a decent 1 or 2 after that it will be a big struggle finding unrelated dogs to breed off.

I'm boring, I just like dogs to do there job, got a mix of breeds and 2 mongrals.
But the ABL (anonymous black lab) is very hard to beat as an around dog.

Ps in theory u can train any dog to point/sett of sorts.
My old lab and his son point slightly althou not realibly and done too much picking up now to really notice it when on sent and many top FT spaniel boys are now training there spaniels to pause before they flush game. Many now flush on command
So there does not necessary need to be hpr in the lines just because its pointing, they may well thou?.
Is there not an old book called the pointing labrador?
I can imagine in flint lock days it would be a massive bonus.

i will 100% breed from her later on as il be keeping 2 for myself and all the family work there own land so hopefully most will stay in the family. As you say there are few silver options but that doesn’t really concern me, the colour is second to getting the right side in my eyes. That been said there is a cracking silver stud available that may be an option Silver Labrador Stud - producing excellent pups For Stud Lancashire - Forever Puppy

 

[Jon P]

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i will 100% breed from her later on as il be keeping 2 for myself and all the family work there own land so hopefully most will stay in the family. As you say there are few silver options but that doesn’t really concern me, the colour is second to getting the right side in my eyes. That been said there is a cracking silver stud available that may be an option Silver Labrador Stud - producing excellent pups For Stud Lancashire - Forever Puppy

Are there any known issues of breeding silver to silver?

Only asking as I used to keep snake and you can’t breed Jaguar coloured carpet pythons to another jaguar coloured carpet python as it causes major neurological issues.