Slightly Gun shy Spaniel

ppaynter

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My 2 year old ESS is becoming a really good gun dog, one issue i have is she gets a little gun shy when being shot over,
she is fine on the beating line and walking around shoots, and at any distance, but if i take her just by myself she hates being to close to the gun.

any tips on how to work past it

cheers Phil
 
Take her to a clay pigeon shoot, park up about half a mile away and walk in. Give her half an hour at a time over a couple or three visits. Good luck.
thanks ill try that i mean on the beating line with the guns down the hill she is fine
 
Borrow a dummy launcher if you don’t own one
Sit her down, walk about 30yds away, launch a dummy and send her for it. Stop if she shows signs of nervousness but most dogs will quickly anticipate the retrieve and ignore the shot. At this stage it doesn’t matter if she runs in, you want her to enjoy herself.
Repeat the process with a shotgun.
Lots of dogs don’t really care for guns going off over their heads.
 
Borrow a dummy launcher if you don’t own one
Sit her down, walk about 30yds away, launch a dummy and send her for it. Stop if she shows signs of nervousness but most dogs will quickly anticipate the retrieve and ignore the shot. At this stage it doesn’t matter if she runs in, you want her to enjoy herself.
Repeat the process with a shotgun.
Lots of dogs don’t really care for guns going off over their heads.
i never actually thought of that to be fair
 
Like Dunwafter said, you need to get her attention focussed on something else other than just waiting for the shot and getting nervous waiting.

Use a dummy launcher some distance away from her, throw the dummy a few times first to get her attention then use the launcher. You could do similar with a blank firing starting pistol fired while you are some distance away, and throw a dummy at the same time.

Also when mine were very young I used to carry two small blocks of wood when out walking them. When they were busy doing something a little way away from me I’d bang the two blocks of wood together, sounded pretty loud but after a while they just ignored it. Then moved on to starting pistol and dummy launcher.

Take your time with her, don’t rush it and stop for a while if she gets really nervous.
 
I have a blank firing thingy that looks like a t shape so you can use it anywhere. I sat my cocker up and took a ball his favourite thing walked a few meters away fired it then through the ball. Associated rhe bang with the ball now he’s too highly strung with a bang and can’t calm down but better that than gun shy. It’s also not so loud to cause panic.
 
I have a blank firing thingy that looks like a t shape so you can use it anywhere. I sat my cocker up and took a ball his favourite thing walked a few meters away fired it then through the ball. Associated rhe bang with the ball now he’s too highly strung with a bang and can’t calm down but better that than gun shy. It’s also not so loud to cause panic.
Yea I kept a ball in my pocket when we first went beating and if the guns made her nervous I just held the ball in my hand and she just. Focused on that
 
Dont take it to a clay ground now ! you will only make things worse . what you want to do if anything other than go easy is go shoot some rabbits or similar with it using a 410 or similar . Lots of rewards hunting and bolting bunnys and lighter reports , it will soon forget its " Guning nerves " if you take it to a clay shoot now its a trial by fire NOT Training !
Most "gun nerves go " when the dogs mind is focused on the fun stuff !
 
Dont take it to a clay ground now ! you will only make things worse . what you want to do if anything other than go easy is go shoot some rabbits or similar with it using a 410 or similar . Lots of rewards hunting and bolting bunnys and lighter reports , it will soon forget its " Guning nerves " if you take it to a clay shoot now its a trial by fire NOT Training !
Most "gun nerves go " when the dogs mind is focused on the fun stuff !
I was thinking about taking her rabbiting with the air rifle first to get her focused on the hunt then slowly introduce the bang
 
I know of a method but may be too late, or worth trying lol everyone has opinions and ideas
Training my old dog, started off banging pots together while he ate, start low and slow, dont need to get out the big pots to start, but small bangs/clangs when eating, slowly work up to the big stuff. After a bit I was able to smack the spud pots together and he didn't flinch, wasn't able to get the same results with the wife when doing it though
 
I was thinking about taking her rabbiting with the air rifle first to get her focused on the hunt then slowly introduce the bang
how old is this "Dog" ? 2 year old i see , strangely air gun noise disturbs dog sometimes . if you going to use the dog to flush to shotguns a 22 light blank then onto 410 is how i start you can go on from there , use reward and dont over face it . I was thinking you have already shot over it with shotgun though ?
 
Introduce her to noise gradually, on walks click your fingers at random times, after a few days progress to tapping your thigh then clapping. I'd also get her used to seeing the gun, not firing, just take it out of the cabinet then put it away, progress to putting it in a slip and walking around the house, even better if you can walk around a field, that way she associates the gun with fun
 
How did u originally introduce it to gunfire?

Do u have access to any other gundogs that are not gunshy?
If u could go out with someone a few times a week with a pack of dogs, just let them free run/play in a field and fire a starting pistol in ur pocket or game bag to muffle it, idealy when ur dog is not to close and just having fun.
If it shows no shyness work closer and un muffle the pistol.
But u really don't want to rush it to quick

Joe Irving the famous trainer used to fire pistol a few times point blank into dummies before throwing them, his thinking was should be a gunshot smell on wot ever u have shot.
So even rubbing recently fired shot gun shells on dummies, might get dog used to smell also and associate the smell with dummies/retrieving ie something fun positive

As has been said u want it to be so busy/ focused on something positive it doesn't noticed the shots going off.

How u achieve this might depend on how confident the dog is.
Dummy launchers can be quite loud althou u do have the benefit of a retrieve, but may depend how much ur spaniel enjoys retrieving, not all are mad keen on it.
if its not a mad keen retriever it might not work as well.
If u go dummy launcher route might be best to get a mate to use the launcher from a distance initially and work closer with time, if the dog allows.

Personally I've never seen the point in the clay ground route, esp if dog is just walking to heel or sitting, in my opinion could do more harm than good.
But many seem to think it works.

Like all things in dog training usually a few different ways to achieve the same goal and a lot might depend on the individual dog.

Another route, althou not really normal gun dog training method, could probably adapt some clicker/treat system, rewarding everytime someone else fires a shot at distance.
 
Is it the noise she afraid of or is it the actual gun it's self you said she fine in beating line with the sound of the shots going off she doesn't actually see the guns so I would look if it's the gun when your carrying it worth a try
 
Introduce her to noise gradually, on walks click your fingers at random times, after a few days progress to tapping your thigh then clapping. I'd also get her used to seeing the gun, not firing, just take it out of the cabinet then put it away, progress to putting it in a slip and walking around the house, even better if you can walk around a field, that way she associates the gun with fun
yes that explains she turns scared when i get it out so good idea
 
How did u originally introduce it to gunfire?

Do u have access to any other gundogs that are not gunshy?
If u could go out with someone a few times a week with a pack of dogs, just let them free run/play in a field and fire a starting pistol in ur pocket or game bag to muffle it, idealy when ur dog is not to close and just having fun.
If it shows no shyness work closer and un muffle the pistol.
But u really don't want to rush it to quick

Joe Irving the famous trainer used to fire pistol a few times point blank into dummies before throwing them, his thinking was should be a gunshot smell on wot ever u have shot.
So even rubbing recently fired shot gun shells on dummies, might get dog used to smell also and associate the smell with dummies/retrieving ie something fun positive

As has been said u want it to be so busy/ focused on something positive it doesn't noticed the shots going off.

How u achieve this might depend on how confident the dog is.
Dummy launchers can be quite loud althou u do have the benefit of a retrieve, but may depend how much ur spaniel enjoys retrieving, not all are mad keen on it.
if its not a mad keen retriever it might not work as well.
If u go dummy launcher route might be best to get a mate to use the launcher from a distance initially and work closer with time, if the dog allows.

Personally I've never seen the point in the clay ground route, esp if dog is just walking to heel or sitting, in my opinion could do more harm than good.
But many seem to think it works.

Like all things in dog training usually a few different ways to achieve the same goal and a lot might depend on the individual dog.

Another route, althou not really normal gun dog training method, could probably adapt some clicker/treat system, rewarding everytime someone else fires a shot at distance.
very informative thanks
 
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