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Got to be worth a look.

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WILD DEER BEST PRACTICE EVENT ​
FOR URBAN DEER MANAGERS​
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Sunday, 25 November 2012.​
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Hamilton Park Racecourse,Bothwell Road, ML3 0DW​
Session Content:
1. Opening address by Linda Fabiani, MSP

2. Code of Practice on Deer Management
- Opportunities and Responsibilities

3. Ballistics and Improving Rifle Skills

4. Carcass Inspection and Practical Butchery Skills

Attendees complete all sessions.
Tea, coffee, biscuits, lunch provided (NO CHARGE).

Registration: 07:30 hrs, withtea/coffee and biscuits
Event starts: 08:00 hrs
Event finish: 16:30 hrs

Places are limited. Early booking recommended.Notification of places by 16 November.

To book a place contact (preferably using email):
Mike Cottam​
Best Practice Officer​
Scottish Natural Heritage, Inverness​
Tel: 01463 725373. email: mike.cottam@snh.gov.uk​
 
Who is going to be talking about urban deer on this day?
Where in the content does urban deer come into this?
Who is the expert on urban deer in the content?
I'd like to know if coming to this.
Or is it a best practice day concerning stalkers south of xyz,ie no urban content but for stalkers that live in urban areas?
 
6pointer said:
Got to be worth a look.

WILD DEER BEST PRACTICE EVENT ​

FOR URBAN DEER MANAGERS​

Sunday, 25 November 2012.​

HamiltonPark Racecourse,Bothwell Road, ML3 0DW​

Session Content:
1. Opening address by Linda Fabiani, MSP

2. Code of Practice on Deer Management
- Opportunities and Responsibilities

3. Ballistics and Improving Rifle Skills

4. Carcass Inspection and Practical Butchery Skills

Attendees complete all sessions.
Tea, coffee, biscuits, lunch provided (NO CHARGE).

Registration: 07:30 hrs, withtea/coffee and biscuits
Event starts: 08:00 hrs
Event finish: 16:30 hrs

Places are limited. Early booking recommended.Notification of places by 16 November.

To book a place contact (preferably using email):
Mike Cottam​

Best Practice Officer​

Scottish Natural Heritage, Inverness​

Tel: 01463 725373. email: mike.cottam@snh.gov.uk​
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You say its got to be worth a look, Davie, I'd say it requires some content

Codes of practice: Deer stalking needs practical aspects to it not someone to prattle on about whats being said day in and out on various web sites and best practice guides .


Ballistics & Improving Rifle Skills: ballistics hardly something that a deer stalker requires, with shots out to 150 meters rifle skills ,get a rifle in your hands and use it ,it is the only way you will learn the skills required to have constant accuracy, in a varying degree of places standing, sitting, prone, kneeling, standing unsupported of a fence post , under standing backstops etc this is what is required.

Carcass inspection there going to show what,? a deer that has nothing wrong with it again not whats required, do a Gralloch and what ?? show the glands we are all trained hunters or most of us are 90% of us don't even look at the glands , its a Gralloch quick look for and notifiable disease in the bag and on with the days stalking, not stand about and do a meat inspection thats larder work if at all .

Butchery demo: even with a demo by a Butcher most will go away, and still not use or understand venison to the full ,whats needed is to show how easy it is to turn a carcass into sausage, burgers, joints where the venison for your sausage comes of the carcass etc .

Apologies to SNH these days are not easy to put together BUT but the day requires revamping in to a practical day that can be transposed into skills that stalkers actually use on the ground not hours of prattle .
 
widows son said:
You say its got to be worth a look, Davie, I'd say it requires some content

Codes of practice: Deer stalking needs practical aspects to it not someone to prattle on about whats being said day in and out on various web sites and best practice guides .


Ballistics & Improving Rifle Skills: ballistics hardly something that a deer stalker requires, with shots out to 150 meters rifle skills ,get a rifle in your hands and use it ,it is the only way you will learn the skills required to have constant accuracy, in a varying degree of places standing, sitting, prone, kneeling, standing unsupported of a fence post , under standing backstops etc this is what is required.

Carcass inspection there going to show what,? a deer that has nothing wrong with it again not whats required, do a Gralloch and what ?? show the glands we are all trained hunters or most of us are 90% of us don't even look at the glands , its a Gralloch quick look for and notifiable disease in the bag and on with the days stalking, not stand about and do a meat inspection thats larder work if at all .

Butchery demo: even with a demo by a Butcher most will go away, and still not use or understand venison to the full ,whats needed is to show how easy it is to turn a carcass into sausage, burgers, joints where the venison for your sausage comes of the carcass etc .

Apologies to SNH these days are not easy to put together BUT but the day requires revamping in to a practical day that can be transposed into skills that stalkers actually use on the ground not hours of prattle .
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Could not have put it any better than that big man.
 
I am sure this day is a bit early SNH are writing or should be writing a BP guide for urban deer management. I am sure some of that will be used on the day. Alister Mac will no doubt deliver a very good talk on our responsibilities as deer managers re the Waine bill. I know Jim Mc govan will do a good talk on Ballistics as he always dose (SAME OLD SAME OLD YOU SAY) Not quite after talking to Jim he is definitely going to put an urban slant on his talk and i am told he is testing bullets and how they perform at this moment you will be able to see i am sure how your off the shelf bullets perform ballistically. As most of the deer managers that live in and around towns don't actually shoot were they live i am sure this is really aimed at Urban people anyway.
Butcher coarse well we have all seen that but again i am told this will be a hands on were you can get a knife in your hands guided by a butcher nothing to do with urban but might help a few of us. Carcase inspection well i did ask for that as i thought it might help the lads who are worried when looking for the glands during the lev two assessment.
I hope Mike dose not mind me writing this and i am sure if the urban was not wrote in we would all be ok with the day.
 
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widows son said:
You say its got to be worth a look, Davie, I'd say it requires some content

Codes of practice: Deer stalking needs practical aspects to it not someone to prattle on about whats being said day in and out on various web sites and best practise guides


Ballistics & Improving Rifle Skills: ballistics hardly something that a deer stalker requires, with shots out to 150 meters rifle skills ,get a rifle in your hands and use it ,it is the only way you will learn the skills required to have constant accuracy, in a varying degree of places standing, sitting, prone, kneeling, standing unsupported of a fence post , under standing backstops etc this is what is required.

Carcass inspection there going to show what,? a deer that has nothing wrong with it again not whats required, do a Gralloch and what ?? show the glands we are all trained hunters or most of us are 90% of us don't even look at the glands , its a Gralloch quick look for and notifiable disease in the bag and on with the days stalking, not stand about and do a meat inspection thats larder work if at all .

Butchery demo: even with a demo by a Butcher most will go away, and still not use or understand venison to the full ,whats needed is to show how easy it is to turn a carcass into sausage, burgers, joints where the venison for your sausage comes of the carcass etc .

Apologies to SNH these days are not easy to put together BUT but the day requires revamping in to a practical day that can be transposed into skills that stalkers actually use on the ground not hours of prattle .
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Very well put,

Most of us have been on best practise days, would like to see something a bit more than what one sees on the average best practise day.
Davie, what content will be unique to urban deer.
 
bogtrotter said:
Very well put,

Most of us have been on best practise days, would like to see something a bit more than what one sees on the average best practise day.
Davie, what content will be unique to urban deer.
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You coming down? You may learn something......



Nutty
 
I might have been interested in coming if there was a bit more involved than in a normal best practice day

Also see you need to book a place, November a very good chance I will be away from home with rough shooting clients, would not be working on a Sunday but a big round trip to come back for this, would mean coming back Saturday late after shooting and travelling back after this to be back for Monday morning

Don't have dates get so can't say for sure, also unfair to book a place and then not turn up that would just be keeping a place from someone else.
 
Boggy i have nothing really to do with the content that is SNH,s Job so a wee guided email to Mr Cottam will have your question sorted. We don't get much from SNH in the central belt normally the big events were out of our reach. So i am sure this one will be well attended and as there is a limit on places i would suggest any one that has not been to a BP should go. But if the content is not what is needed! then i am sure SNH will address that part of the day. What i will say is government will need to cover the code on the day so that will need to stay as is.
 
Well if you guys don't go they can always make up the numbers from this side of the border :stir:

;)
 
csl said:
Well if you guys don't go they can always make up the numbers from this side of the border :stir:

;)
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Why not, you could all do with some education ,you want to see some of the answers, I get on level two stalks.

Too many people talking about it and not enough practice .
 
Well spoke to Mike Cottam and it is nearly full already so if you were going to go you might have missed your chance.
 
I went to this and had a thoroughly good time, first one of these that I've been to.

All of the 3 sections were excellent, not just a job for the people putting them on, they were very helpful and enthusiastic.
The butchery section was very helpful, maybe there will be a bit less wastage and better presentation on my next carcase.

Many thanks to all for a good day...all for free :-D.

fraser
 
This was an excellent day .The butchery section was top notch hands on.
Shot a roe to day so will put my new skills to good use susage & burgers yum yum. Keep the bp days comeing ok.

Many thanks to all for an excellent day
 
I am sure mike will come on and give us his take on things i heard it was good even had the hard ass deer stalkers putting empty boxes on there heads. That had to be seen to be believed. May i say well done to all that turned up please remember it is about you. !!!!
I am sure there will be one in the near future and they might mix it up a bit and cover more of the best practice guides
 
private fraser said:
I went to this and had a thoroughly good time, first one of these that I've been to.

All of the 3 sections were excellent, not just a job for the people putting them on, they were very helpful and enthusiastic.
The butchery section was very helpful, maybe there will be a bit less wastage and better presentation on my next carcase.

Many thanks to all for a good day...all for free :-D.

fraser
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Agree with you there PF,

This was the first BP event I've attended and thoroughly enjoyed the day, met some new faces & made some new contacts, enjoyed the content in all 3 workshops especially the Lorne sausage making, what a doddle! The Butchers were very helpful.
For a "free to attend" event it was first class & I'd like to say thanks to everyone involved in putting it on.
rb
 
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