So . . . .

[tackb]

And likewise do you also have a crystal ball handy to say what staying in will be like in the coming years ?
You see this is the problem faced by both sides of the argument K nobody truly knows what will happen when we leave but likewise nobody truly knows what would come in the future if we stayed in.

The truth is we know what it’s like in the eu because we’ve been in for years what we don’t know is how we will get on out of it

We voted out , not a bit out , OUT OUT !

I hold nothing but contempt for remainers since the referendum because they are behaving like petulant children ! Imagine if a third of the board went round undermining a company decision with another company that you were in critical negotiations with about the future prosperity of your company , would their behaviour help or hinder the future of the company ? The company they are in ! I could understand if they had the balls to resign and go to the other company but to weaken its negotiating position from within his just utterly stupid !

Anyway if someone can tell me how all the remain nonsense strengthens our negotiations with the eu I’m all ears ?

 

[Roro]

you can see it coming, we were to thick to vote in the first place and it's our interest not to leave as they know best, but my honest opinion is, the EU can't keep propping up country's forever and at some point it will all come crashing down. I honestly think we will be better off out nothing will change my mind, they should all get on with making the leave happen and stop whining and stabbing each other to get what they want out of it.

Italys's economy is in a mess as is the perpetually broke Greece, yet the eu chucks good money after bad at them. Ireland 200bn euros pumped in here after the crash, everyman woman and child owing ~30,000 euros back. They are trying to have rich countries like germany and basket cases like Greece in the same broad economy, Ain't gonna happen, and will end in tears sooner or later.

 

[Roro]

The truth is we know what it’s like in the eu because we’ve been in for years what we don’t know is how we will get on out of it

We voted out , not a bit out , OUT OUT !

I hold nothing but contempt for remainers since the referendum because they are behaving like petulant children ! Imagine if a third of the board went round undermining a company decision with another company that you were in critical negotiations with about the future prosperity of your company , would their behaviour help or hinder the future of the company ? The company they are in ! I could understand if they had the balls to resign and go to the other company but to weaken its negotiating position from within his just utterly stupid !

Anyway if someone can tell me how all the remain nonsense strengthens our negotiations with the eu I’m all ears ?

The eu hopes the uk will get cold feet and remain in the eu. I believe Tony blair, warmonger extraordinaire, is advising the eu on how best to undermine brexit. In addition, the eu cannot give you too good a deal in case it starts a stampede for the door.

 

[Klenchblaize]

And likewise do you also have a crystal ball handy to say what staying in will be like in the coming years ?
You see this is the problem faced by both sides of the argument K nobody truly knows what will happen when we leave but likewise nobody truly knows what would come in the future if we stayed in.

I've no need of a crystal ball as unlike some I'm resigned to leaving and respect the vote of the majority however slim we know that to be.

I just wish those on the winning side would accept there were no additional tick boxes that permitted a preffred type of Brexit. Further more few people experience a life wholly without compromise so why should such an important matter be without potential for comprising an element of such disappointment?

As an aside which of the 3 main Parties do leavers feel will deliver their preffred type of Brexit and is that the party they voted for at the last election and if not who will they vote for at the next? And please don't say "no party"!

K

 

[countrryboy]

There seems to be a massive ammount of mistrust in the politicains and quite rightly so (lying bunch of scum bags)
There never has been a time where we've needed strong politicains on both sides to swallow there ego's/pride and get on with things for the better of the country. And sadly there probably the worst bunch we've ever had

But how do u really show that? No side is really happy with their elected servant. March on the commons followed by counter marches from other side or more likely ****ter apeals.

Chances are 2 things will happen massive ammounts of folk will stop voting altogether. Which isn't really a good thing for the country (esp if morell likely to be disillousoned leavers than remainers)

And/or Ukip or some other start up parties will post candidates at as many constituncies as possible and profit from a protest vote, not a good thing either, chances are likely to do more harm to tories so letting labour sneak in the back door.
U also have the problem when ur trying to find as many candidates as possible in a short time of a load of fruit cakes getting in that haven't really be fully vetted.

U also have the areas that vote like goldfish and seem to vote 'red' no matter who/what they put out in the rossette, the scots were the worst but have stopped voteing red (althou wt there voting for is even worse!)
I've said right from the original scottish referendum votes like that should be 60/40, 50/50 is just too fine a marign for such a life changing decision. Atleast when u lose a 60/40 u know u really are in the minority and might swallow the loss and just get on with it.


I'm no political guru or own a crystal ball but pretty clear to see the next 5-10 years is going to be political turmoil of hung parliments and either side being so polar oppisate ur never likely to find a comprimise going to be complete turmoil and that is even without the mayhem of brexit in wot ever form it comes.

Over the next 5-10 years is going to be absolutley critical time getting the best trade deals etc after brexit so we need very strong leaders/civil servants, other countries must be rubbing their hands coming into trade deals with this bunch of muppets.
They haven't a hope in hell of securing anything decent and other countries must know that coming into the talks

Can u really believe the UK government gave the overflow/emergancy ferry contract for hgv/frieght haulage to a company with NO ferries, wot sort of f**kwit thinks like that esp so close to deadline.
Just sums up civil servants as long as the company ticked the right boxes and peddles the right ammount of BS no one ever thinks to check if it can actually do the job it claims.
Is it any wonder we're in such a mess when that is the sort of joined up thinking they come out with??


U often see on these threads folk moaning about the remainers/remoaners attitudes etc and should just suck it up etc and they should really.
But I would have love to see most of the leavers on here 'suck it up' if the vote went the oppisate way by the few % it did. It would be even worse conspiracy theories flying about, hell even farage vowed to fight on in his 1st speach when they actually thought they'd lost just after the polls closed

 

[jimmy milnes]

I voted UKIP as did my far superior other half..
The thing is though I live in an area of Yorkshire that's steeped in coal mining history so the labour party could literally stick a red rose on a donkey and it would get voted in round here because people vote for the party not the candidate.
Years ago when I was a snotty pup the labour councillor was a guy called Mr Lofthouse, he was a local guy who had worked in the area, knew many by name and if you'd of asked him where a street was he'd of given you directions to get there.
Geoffrey Lofthouse - Wikipedia
Now we have Mrs Cooper as it's a safe seat so they can put anyone in it without harm. Her kids don't go to school here and she couldn't tell me much about the area if I met her again of that I'm sure.
Also I'm sure many other areas of Great Britain are the same

 

[enfieldspares]

Peter Mandelson. Tony Blair's mate and fellow MP. The man that allegedly though mushy peas in a fish and chip shop was guacamole.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

The Manston trucking fiasco 89 turned up for the stresstest when 150 were required "a **** up in a brewery that was". The transport gurus could not even organise a sandwich van or portaloo for the drivers. God help you all.

 

[Freeforester]

I've been saying for some time that we are on the brink of serious civil unrest and it won't take a lot to push it over the edge !

the current government and their opposition are not helping either with their arrogant disregard of the peoples democracy !

we need a strong leader to take charge , make a few actual decisions and get on with Brexit as we've currently wasted 2.5 years nearly and we are in a bigger mess than if we had just left , stopped paying the eu and got on with it!

This lass, maybe?

 

[Hornet 6]

-Will I need a new passport?
-

Never thought about that, I had assumed I would still be allowed not to have one ?

Neil.

 

[Hornet 6]

when we voted in the refrendum no one - not even Hornet - knew the detail of our exit arrangements?

K

I'll admit is was maybe a simple of me to believe our PM, who said I will do as the people vote, leave or stay.
Stay would mean it all carries on as before.
Leave meant just that, no deals, no half in half out, Just OUT
The EU and all that came with membership, kicked into touch.

Neil.

 

[Olaf]

The Manston trucking fiasco 89 turned up for the stresstest when 150 were required "a **** up in a brewery that was". The transport gurus could not even organise a sandwich van or portaloo for the drivers. God help you all.

And they paid the drivers £450 each just to show up.
Still, it’s not quite as bad as the 12+M £ contract that they have given to the shipping company with no ships that also hasn’t even ever made a shipment anywhere.......not ever.....12M£ to a shipping company that has no ships and has never actually shipped anything. Definitely not an old boys club decision I’m sure.

Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[jimmy milnes]

And they paid the drivers £450 each just to show up.
Still, it’s not quite as bad as the 12+M £ contract that they have given to the shipping company with no ships that also hasn’t even ever made a shipment anywhere.......not ever.....12M£ to a shipping company that has no ships and has never actually shipped anything. Definitely not an old boys club decision I’m sure.

Kindest regards, Olaf

Bugger me !! Olaf and I can agree on something...

 

[tackb]

There seems to be a massive ammount of mistrust in the politicains and quite rightly so (lying bunch of scum bags)
There never has been a time where we've needed strong politicains on both sides to swallow there ego's/pride and get on with things for the better of the country. And sadly there probably the worst bunch we've ever had

But how do u really show that? No side is really happy with their elected servant. March on the commons followed by counter marches from other side or more likely ****ter apeals.

Chances are 2 things will happen massive ammounts of folk will stop voting altogether. Which isn't really a good thing for the country (esp if morell likely to be disillousoned leavers than remainers)

And/or Ukip or some other start up parties will post candidates at as many constituncies as possible and profit from a protest vote, not a good thing either, chances are likely to do more harm to tories so letting labour sneak in the back door.
U also have the problem when ur trying to find as many candidates as possible in a short time of a load of fruit cakes getting in that haven't really be fully vetted.

U also have the areas that vote like goldfish and seem to vote 'red' no matter who/what they put out in the rossette, the scots were the worst but have stopped voteing red (althou wt there voting for is even worse!)
I've said right from the original scottish referendum votes like that should be 60/40, 50/50 is just too fine a marign for such a life changing decision. Atleast when u lose a 60/40 u know u really are in the minority and might swallow the loss and just get on with it.


I'm no political guru or own a crystal ball but pretty clear to see the next 5-10 years is going to be political turmoil of hung parliments and either side being so polar oppisate ur never likely to find a comprimise going to be complete turmoil and that is even without the mayhem of brexit in wot ever form it comes.

Over the next 5-10 years is going to be absolutley critical time getting the best trade deals etc after brexit so we need very strong leaders/civil servants, other countries must be rubbing their hands coming into trade deals with this bunch of muppets.
They haven't a hope in hell of securing anything decent and other countries must know that coming into the talks

Can u really believe the UK government gave the overflow/emergancy ferry contract for hgv/frieght haulage to a company with NO ferries, wot sort of f**kwit thinks like that esp so close to deadline.
Just sums up civil servants as long as the company ticked the right boxes and peddles the right ammount of BS no one ever thinks to check if it can actually do the job it claims.
Is it any wonder we're in such a mess when that is the sort of joined up thinking they come out with??


U often see on these threads folk moaning about the remainers/remoaners attitudes etc and should just suck it up etc and they should really.
But I would have love to see most of the leavers on here 'suck it up' if the vote went the oppisate way by the few % it did. It would be even worse conspiracy theories flying about, hell even farage vowed to fight on in his 1st speach when they actually thought they'd lost just after the polls closed

well the leavers won didn't they and the only way we will find out how they would behave is if they lost ? we do know for a fact how the remainers are behaving though and its appalling!

 

[sauer]

No matter who won .... who lost ...

What SHOULD be happening is ALL politicians regardless of party should be all joining together and working together to get best possible deal and get this shitstorm dealt with


Instead of posturing and picking points over one another for 30 seconds of look at me !


These bar stewards need to realize they work for us ! ....... not the background company they run as directors of lining their f’ing pockets

Paul

 

[mereside]

 

[jimmy milnes]

Bang on matey

 

[JTO]

OOOOPS!
Germany looks set to enter a recession after unexpected collapse | Daily Mail Online

 

[bowji john]

2008 here we go again

The banks learned nothing from the last disaster

They are still playing with sub prime investments,

Printing money (that has propped up the stock market) has now stopped

German banks are in hock to bad debts in Italy, Greece, Spain and Ireland

At the last crisis there was 50 trillion of fake money swilling around the world

Now, apparently (according to people better versed in these matters than me), that is now 200 trillion

Meanwhile nations do not believe in or trust in their Governments and political beliefs are polarising

Mass migration is undermining nation borders

However all will be well for us coz we will have Corbyn at the helm

Have a great year

 

[enfieldspares]

Peter Shore? I lived through a Labour Government where Peter Shore was a Cabinet Minister. My late father was taxed at 19s 6d in the Pound. For those that are too young to understand pre-decimal that's Income Tax at 97.5%. Out of every Pound he got to keep 6d. That's today's money's 2.5 pence. Exchange Control of twenty-five quid to take with you out of the country on holiday and having to get it entered in you passport by your bank. Red Robbo at Leyland, Tom Jackson at the Royal Mail and Jack Jones in charge at the docks.

Protectionist tariffs on imported vehicles that meant all most people could afford were the awful, awful, awful products of Longbridge and the nationalised and taxpayer massively subsidised British Leyland? So you paid twice for its rubbish. Once when it was being made in the factory on the few days they weren't on strike and second when you paid for all the faults to be rectified at the garage after you'd bought the thing? No, thanks. I lived through Peter Shore's Government's Britain. I think I'd sooner have even the worst of the EU than the supposed best of Peter Shore's Britain.