sold military crimped 223 brass, should i of been told this??

[Tikkat1x]

just a quick one chaps,
recently bought £70 worth of ( advertised as once used 223 brass) turns out its all crimped primer pockets, which now means iv had to buy a tool to get them out and with over 300 to do will take a fair bit of time to do,
question is should the seller of informed me of this? as i wouldnt of bothered had i of known, told the seller i didnt mind so much the time but not happy its cost more money on buying a tool to decrimp them, kind of hoping for the price of the tool back or a few quid back to soften the blow, instead i got told i should of asked, and advised to sell them on, bit of a poor show i think really, i can honestly say if id of done that id of offered a full refund and said do as you with with the brass, send it back or keep it,

 

[Jelen]

Is military fired brass available to buy on the open market?
And - if so - are people aware that it has a smaller internal capacity?

 

[308tikka]

Buyer beware really - you need to ask the questions but perhaps naughty if its mil stamped 5.56

Its not the emd of the world, the brass you need to take crimps off is generally strong and this work now will give you many reloads.

If you had a good price, then now youve got a tool which last most people a lifetime and youll have more flexibility at next purchase time

 

[Rory]

Is military fired brass available to buy on the open market?
And - if so - are people aware that it has a smaller internal capacity?

I think you'd be well advised to check the internal capacity variation of any brass, whether civvy or mil.

 

[Tikkat1x]

Buyer beware really - you need to ask the questions but perhaps naughty if its mil stamped 5.56

Its not the emd of the world, the brass you need to take crimps off is generally strong and this work now will give you many reloads.

If you had a good price, then now youve got a tool which last most people a lifetime and youll have more flexibility at next purchase time

i will know to ask next time, i still think its poor though,

 

[Steff]

This is a rip off. Ask your money back and tell him he can pick up his scrap.

And don‘t buy used brass from strangers ever again. I never do.

 

[Tikkat1x]

I think you'd be well advised to check the internal capacity variation of any brass, whether civvy or mil.

how do you do that? im still a newbie to the reloading world

 

[Tikkat1x]

This is a rip off. Ask your money back and tell him he can pick up his scrap.

And don‘t buy used brass from strangers ever again. I never do.

i like your style mate i paid paypal as a gift too to avoid him having fees, although im sure id have no comeback anyway with it being shooting related,

 

[ColinBr]

how do you do that? im still a newbie to the reloading world

 

[Rory]

how do you do that? im still a newbie to the reloading world

Before taking the primer out, weigh a case. Then it fill with water, ensuring no air bubbles present. You can then weigh the water filled case and see what the increase is in grain weight (or volume if you prefer).
It will differ between makes, as some have thicker brass.
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[Tikkat1x]

Before taking the primer out, weigh a case. Then it fill with water, ensuring no air bubbles present. You can then weigh the water filled case and see what the increase is in grain weight (or volume if you prefer).
It will differ between makes, as some have thicker brass.
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iv read about that before, cant remember what the technical term was,

 

[Steff]

i like your style mate i paid paypal as a gift too to avoid him having fees, although im sure id have no comeback anyway with it being shooting related,

Like I said, a rip off. There are no bargains on the internet.

 

[Rory]

i like your style mate i paid paypal as a gift too to avoid him having fees, although im sure id have no comeback anyway with it being shooting related,

Well, I would argue that you could be a bit more picky, buying used brass doesn't have to be a chore.

Establishing a reputable brand of brass, that you work up a load for, should then become your only brand (even brands and calibres can come in different measures - Hornady .308 differs to their .308 Match case).

As always, it's repetition and striving for uniformity that yields the best results.

What was the seller selling them as, was there subterfuge involved here? If they listed them as Radway Green (or similar military brass) then you've only got yourself to blame, not the seller. If they deceptively sold them to you as .223 Rem, but it's clearly 5.56x45mm then you could say there was an issue.

Even Hornady factory crimp their ammo primers, which is easily removed with a case neck chamfer tool (you can put it in a drill to speed up the process of de-crimping the primer pocket mouth).

 

[Tikkat1x]

Well, I would argue that you could be a bit more picky, buying used brass doesn't have to be a chore.

Establishing a reputable brand of brass, that you work up a load for, should then become your only brand (even brands and calibres can come in different measures - Hornady .308 differs to their .308 Match case).

As always, it's repetition and striving for uniformity that yields the best results.

What was the seller selling them as, was there subterfuge involved here? If they listed them as Radway Green (or similar military brass) then you've only got yourself to blame, not the seller. If they deceptively sold them to you as .223 Rem, but it's clearly 5.56x45mm then you could say there was an issue.

Even Hornady factory crimp their ammo primers, which is easily removed with a case neck chamfer tool (you can put it in a drill to speed up the process of de-crimping the primer pocket mouth).

just offered to me as once fired Hornady 223 brass, i didnt even know any of there brass was crimped, and as i was doing load development at the time with some Hornady, ADI and sako brass, i was just going to stick to those as hornady was best for my 69gr with N140, and the sako and ADI were both good for the 55gr with N133, thats why i bought the 300 hornady,

 

[Tikkat1x]

Like I said, a rip off. There are no bargains on the internet.

at £70 i didnt think that was a bargain really, defiantly isnt now

 

[Tikkat1x]

i dont get what this will tell me, what are the tolerances, what should they be, do they change from make to make, you have thrown a spanner in my works factory ammo is all of a sudden looking good again

 

[Rory]

just offered to me as once fired Hornady 223 brass, i didnt even know any of there brass was crimped, and as i was doing load development at the time with some Hornady, ADI and sako brass, i was just going to stick to those as hornady was best for my 69gr with N140, and the sako and ADI were both good for the 55gr with N133, thats why i bought the 300 hornady,

So, it's not military brass, if it's headstamped .223 then it is civvy. One good part of finding out that the primers were crimped in is that you can be 100% sure it is once fired, so maybe a silver cloud?

 

[Rory]

at £70 i didnt think that was a bargain really, defiantly isnt now

£70 for 300 once fired cases? That's pretty good bargain! +-23p a case

 

[Donkey Basher]

Two things - before you wreck the decapping pin - check its boxer primed, i.e. a single central flash hole, if it's Hornady it should be.

Second, you don't need to buy any new kit to remove primer crimps - just use the deburring tool to cut the crimped brass out with a few twists by hand.

Personally, unless it's something decent & hard to find (like Lapua 6mmBR cases) I wouldn't bother buying fired cases. Just buy good quality new brass & look after it.

 

[Sandyb]

just a quick one chaps,
recently bought £70 worth of ( advertised as once used 223 brass) turns out its all crimped primer pockets, which now means iv had to buy a tool to get them out and with over 300 to do will take a fair bit of time to do,
question is should the seller of informed me of this? as i wouldnt of bothered had i of known, told the seller i didnt mind so much the time but not happy its cost more money on buying a tool to decrimp them, kind of hoping for the price of the tool back or a few quid back to soften the blow, instead i got told i should of asked, and advised to sell them on, bit of a poor show i think really, i can honestly say if id of done that id of offered a full refund and said do as you with with the brass, send it back or keep it,

If bought on here… name and shame..

I would be pi$$ed if it were crimped and sold as Hornady… just out of interest, were these being sold with some PPU? It sounds familiar..