Some very good points Pete. I must admit that I was surprised too! Some of the diseases they profess to kill as well. I worked on the midlands canal system for six years, up to my eye balls in all sorts of muck. On some occasions I'd work with one of those face painting, eco-friendly, culturally aware Rangers. He would spray himself with all manner of disinfectant to ward off Weils disease. I'd be up to my neck in filth while he pranched about like a complete nonce! Guess who got weils disease and nearly died! Yep, the lentil cruncher! I think that out doors types like ourselves build up a resistance to certain bugs! In being too clean we kill the germs that are killing the bad germs.
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Fester
Well-Known Member
The kelly kettle takes about 5 mins or so to boil the water but alot depends on what your burning. I love them & think there an ace bit of kit.
Make sure you pour the water into the cavity tho & not down the bloody chimney like some of us have done by the sounds of it
not mentioning any names Stone
Make sure you pour the water into the cavity tho & not down the bloody chimney like some of us have done by the sounds of it
not mentioning any names Stone 
JAYB
Super Moderator
Your last sentence Pete summed it up wonderfully. Common sense, it seems to have been flung out of the window in this PC bloody regulation ridden world we live in. I expect it will not be too long before some smart arse in Government, rediscovers common sense, only to find that most of us are one step ahead already.
John
John
sikamalc
Administrator
Well put PeteE. How many stalkers are going to buy this box of magic 
kills all known germs, good old soap and water and bleach will do just as much; and the other much less expensive products you suggested are equally as good, if not better. And to top it all if you go to Pound Saver or a similar shop you can buy the plastic container to put all these cheap goodies in for a about £3.99.
Mind you take note, if they bring out a level 3, some idiot will probably make it compulsory for all stalkers to carry this kit with them whilst in the field
That should make a lot of hill stalkers happy
kills all known germs, good old soap and water and bleach will do just as much; and the other much less expensive products you suggested are equally as good, if not better. And to top it all if you go to Pound Saver or a similar shop you can buy the plastic container to put all these cheap goodies in for a about £3.99.
Mind you take note, if they bring out a level 3, some idiot will probably make it compulsory for all stalkers to carry this kit with them whilst in the field
That should make a lot of hill stalkers happy 
monynut
Well-Known Member
sikamalc said:Mind you take note, if they bring out a level 3, some idiot will probably make it compulsory for all stalkers to carry this kit with them whilst in the field
When l did my game handling course the lecturer brought out a large plastic bin and proceeded to say this is what you will need in the field to be hygienic well we all fell about and pointed out that you could not physically carry that amount of kit when out lowland stalking let alone hill stalking so at the end of a long debate she agreed that the minimum one would need was sterile wipes and if possible some potted water and the full kit left in the car, which we all did before lashing out £120 just for someone to teach gran mar to suck eggs
sikamalc
Administrator
SHE AGREED!!! A lady examiner ehhh. Nothing wrong with that of course, but I would have expected a duster, mop, bucket, hoover, soap, towels, dustpan and brush and spare makeup to have been included Oh and the kitchen sink no doubt
Sorry Ladystalker
Some of the larders I have been in we have had 16 to 20 Red hinds laying outside while we all get stuck in sorting them out, and preparing them before going into the chiller. And late at night with temperature about -2 a drop of Morgans Spice drum while you are working hits the spot, didnt see that in the kit either
Sorry Ladystalker
Some of the larders I have been in we have had 16 to 20 Red hinds laying outside while we all get stuck in sorting them out, and preparing them before going into the chiller. And late at night with temperature about -2 a drop of Morgans Spice drum while you are working hits the spot, didnt see that in the kit either
monynut
Well-Known Member
sikamalc said:SHE AGREED!!! A lady examiner ehhh. Nothing wrong with that of course, but I would have expected a duster, mop, bucket, hoover, soap, towels, dustpan and brush and spare makeup to have been included Oh and the kitchen sink no doubt
Sorry Ladystalker
That all came out in the second bin but not enough makeup and boy she needed it
,but seriously some these people know it all on paper but when it comes to the practicalities of everyday life a little hands on is needed.Ladystalker has promissed she wont bring her accessories with her when she joins you just the wipes, bye the way she will be in touch with you this week.
JAYB
Super Moderator
I went to a place five or six years ago in New York state that would have had the food hygiene people going berserk. We were taking a couple of whitetail deer to a game processor, they butcher the meat for you and bag it ready for the freezer. All week my pal had been singing the praises of this place, how good they were and what fine work they did. Well, on the way there he just dropped into conversation that these people were a little unorthodox, maybe strike me as a bit odd, but, they did good work.
We pulled up outside and there on the pavement was about a dozen whitetail, it was late November so outdoor freezer rules applied, just lying there. We hauled two deer out of the back of his pick up and dumped them with the rest, this is where the tag system really helped. Now the moment of truth we entered, I thought I had walked into onto a film set, Deliverance! I had seen nothing like it, there was a young fellow with a shock of bright blond almost white hair wielding a knife, he looked as if he played a mean banjo. I have to say though he was good with that knife, and he was very friendly, they all were. It looked as if there could have been a bit of brother being friendly with sister going on, but I didn't like to check them for webbed feet. The thing is they just do not make a stalkers box big enough to have made an impression on that place, it was unbelievable.
When we left and my pal asked me what I thought, I told him that any more deer and I would butcher them for him, I christened that place the Red Neckery Carvery, and he still refers to it as that.
John
We pulled up outside and there on the pavement was about a dozen whitetail, it was late November so outdoor freezer rules applied, just lying there. We hauled two deer out of the back of his pick up and dumped them with the rest, this is where the tag system really helped. Now the moment of truth we entered, I thought I had walked into onto a film set, Deliverance! I had seen nothing like it, there was a young fellow with a shock of bright blond almost white hair wielding a knife, he looked as if he played a mean banjo. I have to say though he was good with that knife, and he was very friendly, they all were. It looked as if there could have been a bit of brother being friendly with sister going on, but I didn't like to check them for webbed feet. The thing is they just do not make a stalkers box big enough to have made an impression on that place, it was unbelievable.
When we left and my pal asked me what I thought, I told him that any more deer and I would butcher them for him, I christened that place the Red Neckery Carvery, and he still refers to it as that.
John
Pete E said:Looking at there web site a bit closer, I do have to wonder at some of the products, for example;
High Level Disinfectant Surface Spray 500m/m Trigger spray for £10
I use an ordinary Deotox pump spray for about £2.50...It says on the label it kills 99% of all known germs and its obviously safe to be used on food preparation surfaces.
High Level Disinfectant Wipes 100 Qty 185x135mm for £15
I use disinfectant floor wipes (they say safe to use on any kitchen surface) and again they cost about £2.50 a pack..
Disinfectant hand gell is now quite widely available and again for a fraction of the costs of the one on the site...
So what am I missing here? A part from the unlikely event of having to deal with anthrax spores, where do these domestic products fall short?
Regards,
Pete
Hi Pete
Thank you for your comments, its good to hear people talking (or writing)
Let me answer some of your comments.
Surface Disinfectant, yes a lot of products kill 99.99% of household GERMS, what they wont kill is the "Superbug" Weil's Disease, H5N1 Avian Bird Flu, TB ie Virulcidal, bactericidal, fungicidal, tuberculocidal and sporicidal. Safe to use around children and animals therfore more than safe on food preperation surfaces has a shelf life of almost 2 years, non-corrosive, non-fumimg, non-fragranced, non-hazardous and DEFRA Approved
The tub of wipes again are far from baby wipes as mentioned by another member or floor wipes
These are designed to kill viruses not mask them do floor wipes protect against Hepatitis B, Norovirus, C-Diff, TB, H5N1 e-coli, weil's disease, Pasturella Molticida (Rabbit Flu)Hand gel / wash is widely availalable and is fine for about 10mins after application or as a quick wash, this is NOT the same as our hand gel, once applied it will leave a residual effect on your hands for hours (subject to what you are doing) and kill viruses and diseases on contact which other brands from high street stores will not do, these products where tested & reported in the daily Mail as "Don't waste your money, they dont work, ours does, its why the professional industry use them.
When looking to offer this type of product to stalkers / shooters etc etc i wanted to offer the best and for the product to do what is required and more, as a friend said to me once "Buy Cheap - Buy Twice". I had to have many meeting with the manufacturer (UK Based) of Trigene products to allow me the distribution rights in the UK to help combat diseases etc for the shooting world.
Try it you may be surprised.
Thanks again
Phil
Managing Director
Chelsea Hygiene
sikamalc
Administrator
Most stalkers have always followed a fairly high hygiene level, after all the greater majority of stalkers in this country are recreational, who are going to eat the meat themselves or share with friends and family. I also would add that a great many could not afford the price charged for the stalkers box.
I should also say that sticking my neck out in the defence of stalkers, that most if not all are aware of hygiene, and presenting the carcase in a clean and fit condition, after all we have to sign our names to the carcase now when delivering to a game dealer. But I have seen what can happen when the carcase is picked up by some game dealers, they throw the carcase into the back of a lorry or van in some instances with animals laying on top of one another, which makes the whole thing of hygiene and cross contamination a mockery.
In general I think The Stalkers Box is a good idea, but under field conditions in the highlands of Scotland or for that matter in some remote areas of England, you will find that getting the carcase, plus client and yourself off the hill before dark is a priority. You do not have time to stand around at the back of your 4x4 after coming off the hill with a quad or Argo Cat full of deer to clean up. You need to get to the larder where everything should be available. After all EU regulations say we must have all carcases back within the hour to the larder
Of course this always happens
I am not knocking the idea of this box, or the product itself, but I would be interested to know if it had been field tested on one or two major estates with large numbers of deer going through the larder, and see what the professional stalkers had to say.
Its good to know its backed by DEFRA, its nice to know they made their mind up about something it usually takes them sometime to decide about anyhting to do with deer management and stalking 
I should also say that sticking my neck out in the defence of stalkers, that most if not all are aware of hygiene, and presenting the carcase in a clean and fit condition, after all we have to sign our names to the carcase now when delivering to a game dealer. But I have seen what can happen when the carcase is picked up by some game dealers, they throw the carcase into the back of a lorry or van in some instances with animals laying on top of one another, which makes the whole thing of hygiene and cross contamination a mockery.
In general I think The Stalkers Box is a good idea, but under field conditions in the highlands of Scotland or for that matter in some remote areas of England, you will find that getting the carcase, plus client and yourself off the hill before dark is a priority. You do not have time to stand around at the back of your 4x4 after coming off the hill with a quad or Argo Cat full of deer to clean up. You need to get to the larder where everything should be available. After all EU regulations say we must have all carcases back within the hour to the larder
Of course this always happens
I am not knocking the idea of this box, or the product itself, but I would be interested to know if it had been field tested on one or two major estates with large numbers of deer going through the larder, and see what the professional stalkers had to say.
Its good to know its backed by DEFRA, its nice to know they made their mind up about something
it usually takes them sometime to decide about anyhting to do with deer management and stalking Hi Pete
here is the daily mail report
We put the bug busting hand washes to the test
By ANGELA EPSTEIN - More by this author »
Last updated at 11:07am on 6th November 2007
Comments (9)
Superbug fears have made them a huge hit - but do 'antibacterial' washes and gels really work? Our expert put them to the test...
Fear of hospital superbugs and a desire to protect ourselves against common viruses has led to a boom in antibacterial hand products - sales have risen by 80 per cent in the past year alone.
Available in either a wash - which, like soap, is used with water - or as a gel that you rub into your hands, these products contain antibacterial ingredients, such as alcohol, that kill germs.
They also create a hostile environment for bacteria in the longer term - in contrast to ordinary soap, which relies on detergent to wash away bacteria.
Antibacterials were designed for use in hospitals, but with growing concerns about viruses such as SARS and bird flu, as well as superbugs, an increasing number of products have become available on the High Street.
Manufacturers claim their products kill almost all bacteria. But while many people think they protect against superbugs, that's rarely the case.
So, how much protection do antibacterial hand products provide against everyday bugs? In a special investigation for Good Health, Dr Anthony Hilton, director of biology at Aston University, assessed some of the leading brands.
Our hands contain harmless resident bacteria known as mixed skin flora, which are routinely found on healthy people. If a product is an effective antibacterial, then the number of these should decline significantly. It is the rate of decline, rather than the number of bacteria, that prove a product's efficacy.
The tester's hands were swabbed before use, five minutes after using the product and an hour later. We added an extra swab when testing products that claimed to work for longer. The swabs were then cultured in a laboratory for 48 hours so that the colonies of cells could be analysed. The results were surprising.
DETTOL MOISTURISING HANDWASH
PRICE: £1.99
WHAT'S IN IT: 'Quat' ammonia, which is routinely used as an antibacterial product. Also contains cocamidopropyl betaine, another antimicrobial agent.
CLAIM: Kills 99.9 per cent of harmful bacteria.
LAB TEST: Before use: 5,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 28,000; one hour after use: 100,000.
VERDICT: The action of rubbing gel into our hands drags normal bacteria, which lie in the deeper level of the skin, to the surface. This is why the number soars after five minutes and can continue to rise.
But this product lacks any extended effect, because although new bacteria will start to grow after one hour, if this product was any good there still wouldn't be so many. It would kill harmful bacteria but it is questionable how long the effects would last.
SCORE: 1/5
PERFECT HAND PROTECTANT
PRICE: £4.99
WHAT'S IN IT: Silicone as a barrier for the skin against bacteria, and ethyl alcohol to kill bacteria.
CLAIM: Protects hands by sticking to the skin and destroying microorganisms, such as bacteria, viruses and moulds, by rupturing their cellular membranes. Effective against bacteria and viruses, including staphylococcus
LAB TEST: Before use: 60,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 57; one hour after use: 200,000; three hours after use: 400,000.
VERDICT: This had a significant ability to wipe out skin bacteria initially. It is only 18 per cent alcohol; the gold standard for treatment is 70 per cent. But although the product didn't have any extended effect, the initial results are the best way of showing how effective a product can be as there is little time for contamination of the results.
SCORE: 5/5
CAREX ANTIBACTERIAL GEL
PRICE: £1.37
WHAT'S IN IT: Alcohol.
CLAIM: Kills 99.9 per cent of bacteria.
LAB TEST: Before use: 600,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 49,000; one hour after use: 327,000.
VERDICT: Alcohol is highly effective at killing bacteria, so it is surprising that this product wasn't more effective an hour after use. Skin flora exist at deeper layers of the skin and within an hour there may not have been enough alcohol to reach these organisms before they got to the surface.
SCORE: 2/5
BOOTS ANTIBACTERIAL HANDWASH
PRICE: 99p
WHAT'S IN IT: Triclosan, an antibacterial chemical used in many cleaning products.
CLAIM: Removes germs.
LAB TEST: Before use: 20,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 17,000; one hour after use: 6,000.
VERDICT: Triclosan is less effective than alcohol but this product is still fairly effective at killing bacteria over an extended period of time. Yet this doesn't seem to apply after initial use.
SCORE: 3/5
CUTICURA GEL
PRICE: £1.29
WHAT'S IN IT: Alcohol; triclosan.
CLAIM: Kills over 99.99 per cent of germs within 15 seconds.
LAB TEST: Before use: 104 bacteria; five minutes after use: 154,000; one hour after use: 154,000.
VERDICT: The number of skin flora on an individual's hands varies but the fact it rose so significantly shows how the rubbing brings bacteria to the surface. Despite the alcohol and tricholsan, this product didn't seem to do anything.
SCORE: 0/5
NO GERMS HAND SANITISER SPRAY
PRICE: £2.99
WHAT'S IN IT: Antibacterial chemicals benzethonium chloride and polyaminopropyl biguanide.
CLAIM: Proven to kill 99.8 per cent of most common germs in just 15 seconds.
LAB TEST: Before; 30,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 400,000; one hour after use: 120,000.
VERDICT: Alcohol is the best way to kill bacteria, so the agents here were not as effective. Again, the initial rise in flora was to be expected but though skin flora fell, they were still present in significant numbers. Its longer protection was disappointing.
SCORE: 1/5
TESCO ANTIBACTERIAL GEL
PRICE: 49p
WHAT'S IN IT: Alcohol.
CLAIM: Kills 99 per cent of germs.
LAB TEST: Before use: 3,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 580; one hour after use: 75,000.
VERDICT: This was pretty good at killing bacteria, as the results after five minutes show - again due to the power of the alcohol. It doesn't have a lasting effect because skin bacteria can re-grow quite quickly. Judging by how fast it had an initial effect on bacteria this is quite impressive.
SCORE: 4/5
SILVATEC CLEANSING BAR
PRICE: £3.99
WHAT'S IN IT: Silver compounds, which can kill bacteria.
CLAIM: Proven to be effective at killing 99.9 per cent of germs including MRSA and E.coli, and works for hours.
LAB TEST: Before use: 2,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 297,000; one hour after use: 37,000.
VERDICT: As this is also a soap and is used with water, it washes away surface matter. Results after an hour show significant effect.
SCORE: 5/5
MILTON HAND GEL
PRICE: £1.99
WHAT'S IN IT: 72per cent alcohol.
CLAIM: In 30 seconds clinically proven to be effective against most bacteria, fungi and viruses.
LAB TEST: Before use: 210,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 250,000; one hour after use: 500,000.
VERDICT: With such a high alcohol content, this should have been very powerful. It contains 62 per cent ethanol as well as isopropanol - the most powerful alcohol as an antibacterial. Yet reduction in bacteria was tiny.
SCORE: 0/5
IMPERIAL LEATHER SOAP
PRICE: 49p
WHAT'S IN IT: Oils and perfume.
CLAIM: Produces rich, creamy lather to care for the skin.
LAB TEST: Before use: 155,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 2,500,000; one hour after use: 37,000.
VERDICT: As we rub our hands vigorously using soap, this could explain why the bacteria rose so much initially. It works far better than several of the antibacterials.
SCORE: 3/5
here is the daily mail report
We put the bug busting hand washes to the test
By ANGELA EPSTEIN - More by this author »
Last updated at 11:07am on 6th November 2007
Comments (9)
Superbug fears have made them a huge hit - but do 'antibacterial' washes and gels really work? Our expert put them to the test...
Fear of hospital superbugs and a desire to protect ourselves against common viruses has led to a boom in antibacterial hand products - sales have risen by 80 per cent in the past year alone.
Available in either a wash - which, like soap, is used with water - or as a gel that you rub into your hands, these products contain antibacterial ingredients, such as alcohol, that kill germs.
They also create a hostile environment for bacteria in the longer term - in contrast to ordinary soap, which relies on detergent to wash away bacteria.
Antibacterials were designed for use in hospitals, but with growing concerns about viruses such as SARS and bird flu, as well as superbugs, an increasing number of products have become available on the High Street.
Manufacturers claim their products kill almost all bacteria. But while many people think they protect against superbugs, that's rarely the case.
So, how much protection do antibacterial hand products provide against everyday bugs? In a special investigation for Good Health, Dr Anthony Hilton, director of biology at Aston University, assessed some of the leading brands.
Our hands contain harmless resident bacteria known as mixed skin flora, which are routinely found on healthy people. If a product is an effective antibacterial, then the number of these should decline significantly. It is the rate of decline, rather than the number of bacteria, that prove a product's efficacy.
The tester's hands were swabbed before use, five minutes after using the product and an hour later. We added an extra swab when testing products that claimed to work for longer. The swabs were then cultured in a laboratory for 48 hours so that the colonies of cells could be analysed. The results were surprising.
DETTOL MOISTURISING HANDWASH
PRICE: £1.99
WHAT'S IN IT: 'Quat' ammonia, which is routinely used as an antibacterial product. Also contains cocamidopropyl betaine, another antimicrobial agent.
CLAIM: Kills 99.9 per cent of harmful bacteria.
LAB TEST: Before use: 5,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 28,000; one hour after use: 100,000.
VERDICT: The action of rubbing gel into our hands drags normal bacteria, which lie in the deeper level of the skin, to the surface. This is why the number soars after five minutes and can continue to rise.
But this product lacks any extended effect, because although new bacteria will start to grow after one hour, if this product was any good there still wouldn't be so many. It would kill harmful bacteria but it is questionable how long the effects would last.
SCORE: 1/5
PERFECT HAND PROTECTANT
PRICE: £4.99
WHAT'S IN IT: Silicone as a barrier for the skin against bacteria, and ethyl alcohol to kill bacteria.
CLAIM: Protects hands by sticking to the skin and destroying microorganisms, such as bacteria, viruses and moulds, by rupturing their cellular membranes. Effective against bacteria and viruses, including staphylococcus
LAB TEST: Before use: 60,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 57; one hour after use: 200,000; three hours after use: 400,000.
VERDICT: This had a significant ability to wipe out skin bacteria initially. It is only 18 per cent alcohol; the gold standard for treatment is 70 per cent. But although the product didn't have any extended effect, the initial results are the best way of showing how effective a product can be as there is little time for contamination of the results.
SCORE: 5/5
CAREX ANTIBACTERIAL GEL
PRICE: £1.37
WHAT'S IN IT: Alcohol.
CLAIM: Kills 99.9 per cent of bacteria.
LAB TEST: Before use: 600,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 49,000; one hour after use: 327,000.
VERDICT: Alcohol is highly effective at killing bacteria, so it is surprising that this product wasn't more effective an hour after use. Skin flora exist at deeper layers of the skin and within an hour there may not have been enough alcohol to reach these organisms before they got to the surface.
SCORE: 2/5
BOOTS ANTIBACTERIAL HANDWASH
PRICE: 99p
WHAT'S IN IT: Triclosan, an antibacterial chemical used in many cleaning products.
CLAIM: Removes germs.
LAB TEST: Before use: 20,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 17,000; one hour after use: 6,000.
VERDICT: Triclosan is less effective than alcohol but this product is still fairly effective at killing bacteria over an extended period of time. Yet this doesn't seem to apply after initial use.
SCORE: 3/5
CUTICURA GEL
PRICE: £1.29
WHAT'S IN IT: Alcohol; triclosan.
CLAIM: Kills over 99.99 per cent of germs within 15 seconds.
LAB TEST: Before use: 104 bacteria; five minutes after use: 154,000; one hour after use: 154,000.
VERDICT: The number of skin flora on an individual's hands varies but the fact it rose so significantly shows how the rubbing brings bacteria to the surface. Despite the alcohol and tricholsan, this product didn't seem to do anything.
SCORE: 0/5
NO GERMS HAND SANITISER SPRAY
PRICE: £2.99
WHAT'S IN IT: Antibacterial chemicals benzethonium chloride and polyaminopropyl biguanide.
CLAIM: Proven to kill 99.8 per cent of most common germs in just 15 seconds.
LAB TEST: Before; 30,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 400,000; one hour after use: 120,000.
VERDICT: Alcohol is the best way to kill bacteria, so the agents here were not as effective. Again, the initial rise in flora was to be expected but though skin flora fell, they were still present in significant numbers. Its longer protection was disappointing.
SCORE: 1/5
TESCO ANTIBACTERIAL GEL
PRICE: 49p
WHAT'S IN IT: Alcohol.
CLAIM: Kills 99 per cent of germs.
LAB TEST: Before use: 3,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 580; one hour after use: 75,000.
VERDICT: This was pretty good at killing bacteria, as the results after five minutes show - again due to the power of the alcohol. It doesn't have a lasting effect because skin bacteria can re-grow quite quickly. Judging by how fast it had an initial effect on bacteria this is quite impressive.
SCORE: 4/5
SILVATEC CLEANSING BAR
PRICE: £3.99
WHAT'S IN IT: Silver compounds, which can kill bacteria.
CLAIM: Proven to be effective at killing 99.9 per cent of germs including MRSA and E.coli, and works for hours.
LAB TEST: Before use: 2,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 297,000; one hour after use: 37,000.
VERDICT: As this is also a soap and is used with water, it washes away surface matter. Results after an hour show significant effect.
SCORE: 5/5
MILTON HAND GEL
PRICE: £1.99
WHAT'S IN IT: 72per cent alcohol.
CLAIM: In 30 seconds clinically proven to be effective against most bacteria, fungi and viruses.
LAB TEST: Before use: 210,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 250,000; one hour after use: 500,000.
VERDICT: With such a high alcohol content, this should have been very powerful. It contains 62 per cent ethanol as well as isopropanol - the most powerful alcohol as an antibacterial. Yet reduction in bacteria was tiny.
SCORE: 0/5
IMPERIAL LEATHER SOAP
PRICE: 49p
WHAT'S IN IT: Oils and perfume.
CLAIM: Produces rich, creamy lather to care for the skin.
LAB TEST: Before use: 155,000 bacteria; five minutes after use: 2,500,000; one hour after use: 37,000.
VERDICT: As we rub our hands vigorously using soap, this could explain why the bacteria rose so much initially. It works far better than several of the antibacterials.
SCORE: 3/5
Hi Sikamalc
The stalker box is currently on trial with BASC and Jon Snowdon of Greenlee DSC trainer and columnist in Sporting Gun magazine and he is putting an article review in Febuary issue, he has already given his support by giving me a quote for advertising
"this product is both credible and viable"
The wholepoint of putting this product together is to promote an awareness of field hygiene, the diseases and virul infections we can all catch and to adopt the prevention is better than cure mentality by offering the best products available to everyone.
Keep the comments coming
Regards
Phil
The stalker box is currently on trial with BASC and Jon Snowdon of Greenlee DSC trainer and columnist in Sporting Gun magazine and he is putting an article review in Febuary issue, he has already given his support by giving me a quote for advertising
"this product is both credible and viable"
The wholepoint of putting this product together is to promote an awareness of field hygiene, the diseases and virul infections we can all catch and to adopt the prevention is better than cure mentality by offering the best products available to everyone.
Keep the comments coming
Regards
Phil
Hi Pete
Pleasure to offer any info to help all.
Regarding plastic container for wipes, yes you are right most wipes will dry out and then have to purchase again.
The wipes we sell have a shelf life for approx 2years so providing you clip the lid back down all will be ok. If by accident the lid is left up so far i have found that only the one exposed to the elements dries out.
All our product has a 2 year shelf life, sprays, hand gels etc.
Cheers
Phil
Pleasure to offer any info to help all.
Regarding plastic container for wipes, yes you are right most wipes will dry out and then have to purchase again.
The wipes we sell have a shelf life for approx 2years so providing you clip the lid back down all will be ok. If by accident the lid is left up so far i have found that only the one exposed to the elements dries out.
All our product has a 2 year shelf life, sprays, hand gels etc.
Cheers
Phil
Hi Fresco,
Have checked out the Material Safety Data Sheet.Trigene Advance is a disinfectant not an antiseptic.Suitable for cleaning surfaces.instruments,etc.
I quote from the sheet "4.4 Skin contact. Wash affected area with soap and water.Avoid prolonged contact" " 6.3 Clothing for disposal Wear gloves and apron,avoid prolonged skin contact."
This appears to contradict instructions on your site.
Quote from Abbott Analytical.........there is no reason to suppose that Leptospirae are any less susceptible to the action of Trigene Advance.......than Pseudomonas spp" entirely different bacteria, my words.
"Bacillus subtilis( and by inference B.anthracis) further list of inferences no actual scientific facts.
Obviously a good disinfectant properly used.
Morena
Have checked out the Material Safety Data Sheet.Trigene Advance is a disinfectant not an antiseptic.Suitable for cleaning surfaces.instruments,etc.
I quote from the sheet "4.4 Skin contact. Wash affected area with soap and water.Avoid prolonged contact" " 6.3 Clothing for disposal Wear gloves and apron,avoid prolonged skin contact."
This appears to contradict instructions on your site.
Quote from Abbott Analytical.........there is no reason to suppose that Leptospirae are any less susceptible to the action of Trigene Advance.......than Pseudomonas spp" entirely different bacteria, my words.
"Bacillus subtilis( and by inference B.anthracis) further list of inferences no actual scientific facts.
Obviously a good disinfectant properly used.
Morena
hi morena
interesting comments, i will look into the data sheets, i think like all chemical products it is advisable to proceed with caution as everyone is different ie "arse covering exercise" i have used the product for sometime and have never had any reaction whatsoever, but as i say above we are all different.
We get back to you.
Regards
Phil
interesting comments, i will look into the data sheets, i think like all chemical products it is advisable to proceed with caution as everyone is different ie "arse covering exercise" i have used the product for sometime and have never had any reaction whatsoever, but as i say above we are all different.
We get back to you.
Regards
Phil
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