stalking getting to pricey

[Slamdunk]

Malc

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There are some that know, or think they know, and there are some that do know, and I know you are now BANNED!!! for being a Troll.

 

[Slamdunk]

The FC land in Scotland is bought by very few chosen individuals, who then lease it on at a profit (hence large fees to you and me).

they simply out bid all and sundry and fill it with desperate rifles. There was around 10 leases went out on CDROM in february from the FC for the Scottish borders, if you want ot know who bought them look in the stalking section. Not trying to be inflammatory here and if you want to delete this post feel free. But facts are facts

The facts don't lie. As Stu's already said a good point.

 

[Mannlicher_Stu]

The facts don't lie. As Stu's already said a good point.

Fortunately for me (Being Selfish with that remark admitedly) with aquiring the DSC2 i can shop around if need be all my stalking now is obtained at a considerable reasonable price its as diesel Dan says a lot of DSC2 holders are now obtaining the leases and charging syndication fees to others that cant obtain a lease, but what they dont realize is in the next month or two when these new rules kick in in respect to all stalkers need to have level two they may have shot themselves in the foot by charging these prices as there wont be many takers as those that have the DSC2 can pick and choose which syndicate to join and they just may be stuck with a piece of ground they might have to manage totally on their own, as i said i am fortunate to be a member of a small syndication thats at actual cost and we all muck in doing work to improve the shoot its not with the F.C though as I would not urinate on them if they were afire

 

[User00023]

This will go the way of the banking crisis I feel, all of a sudden the arse will drop out of it! Just might not happen before me knees give out though!

Similar thoughts here finn, but likening it more to the enormous growth in stillwater trout fishing 15 or so years ago and the subsequent decline in popularity a few years later. Once the crash comes about, however, there will be some choice rifles and optics going for a song as well as ground leases returning to a more sensible level.

 

[Double four]

Bloody hell this has been an eye opener for me, didn't know that stalking was so expensive or as hard to get.

Suppose its like any thing now to do with shooting ,years ago i bought some common rights that included shooting on an estate in North Norfolk at the time i thought expensive but with 6000 acres of marsh to go at and the limited people exersizing their rights i scraped the money up and have had years of quality shooting there.
More recently the area im talking about which has many thousands of geese on it has been discovered by people with money and now the same rights that i thought expensive at the time are exchanging hands for many thousands of pounds and thats in the space of a few years.

I have been very lucky to pick up little bits of stalking here and there for free from neighbours or friends but there is no way i would be able to afford 3k for a stalking lease add the ds1/ds2 to actually get one ! plus accomodation fuel etc Jesus makes me think what have i got into !

I think i will stick to the little bit i own and little bits i have picked up, hope i win the lottery to buy some more because it certainly isn't an inexpensive sport looks like i have started a good few years too late . df

 

[finnbear270]

I will stick to my chosen addiction, doing the greater portion of my shooting, accompanied by the likes of the Barn Owl, in the dark world of the Fox & the Badger, a few bunnies in the sunshine, with the odd treat of a few well chosen bought days stalking thrown in.

 

[Double four]

Finnbear that sounds good to me, i'll have to leave the fight for leases/syndicates to others with the ready's and if i want ago at fallow, muntjack, cwd, pay for a well chosen day. DF

 

[User00022]

Guys it is simple...

Increased Demand "Consumer" combined with Stationary Product Levels "Deer Stalking Land" only means one think PRICE INCREASE...

Unless either of those factors change then its only going one way...

Although the FC maybe reducing their own ability to sell syndicates because of "New tighter rules" which from what I hear has actually not been so difficult as may have been suggested, they are simply further reducing the Product and therefore increasing the Market Price...

It is a commodity and like most others in world so it will behave the same way, money makes the world go round lets not forget that...

Dont get me wrong I wish stalking was free/cheap but its unlikely to find some that is so I think like Finnbear and DF said make what you can of what u have and enjoy it...

Alex

 

[dieseldan]

I have said this before so sorry to re-iterate.

FC land = £1000 Per annum minimum. I can go shoot stags in the rut for a few days and hinds for afew days and get change from that. I also get deer on the ground 80% of the time . I now have my own land for roe but that was god fortune and persistance. I have DMQ Level 2 as I did need it for the DCS register and thought i might as well get it out of the road.

I vote for pay as you go stalking rather than empty FC woods. Just my tuppence worth.

Scottish Woodland and Tillhill are much better, private land smashing, you get my drift.

 

[griff]

Hi all I am one of the dishonest ones!
I have several syndicates and not one of them costs over £1000 pounds per person not even the FC one!
I have Scottish woodlands lease (1200 acres) cost £250 per annum 7 syndicate guns.
I have two private leases totalling 6000 acres £600 per gun 5 syndicate guns.
I have an FC lease 2000 acres this is the most expensive @ £748 6 syndicate guns.

I do not stalk any of my lets, I just retain the right to shoot ducks and geese and woodcock.
The cost is split equally, there is one lease that has cost me money in the time it has taken to setup, the rest have been quite straight forward and have been running successfully for several years.


There are those out there that give everyone a bad name, and some deservedly so, but to tar everyone with the same brush I take exception too.

There is not one person on this site who has not had the oportunity to bid for stalking that has become available, wether it be from the FC SW Tilhill or Fountain etc.
You complain heavily about the FC yet I know of two leases that have put the FC to shame with prices in excess of £7.50 per acre and these are from some of the companies mentioned.
My local golf club charges over £1200 per annum and for half the year you cannot get on it.
The local health club charges £45 per month plus fees.

£1000 per annum what is that £20 per week, most of you spend that on alcohol or pizza hut or macdonalds or cigarettes.


The FC lease I have, was done not to make money, but stop someone with deep pockets getting some excellent stalking and be lost for 5 years to us mere mortals.

I spent hours getting the paper work correct, I spent hours in interviews, I spent hours on risk assessments, hours on a deer management plan.I spent hours showing some of you round, all at a cost to me but not to you...
then to be critisized for getting of my arse and getting it sorted..

The Aussies have it right: Winging Pomms...

please send all applications to IamawingingB*"$!%D.com

rant over

regards
griff

 

[stone]

Griff
FANTASTIC
especially the complaints department
ATB

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Hi all I am one of the dishonest ones!
I have several syndicates and not one of them costs over £1000 pounds per person not even the FC one!
I have Scottish woodlands lease (1200 acres) cost £250 per annum 7 syndicate guns.
I have two private leases totalling 6000 acres £600 per gun 5 syndicate guns.
I have an FC lease 2000 acres this is the most expensive @ £748 6 syndicate guns.

I do not stalk any of my lets, I just retain the right to shoot ducks and geese and woodcock.
The cost is split equally, there is one lease that has cost me money in the time it has taken to setup, the rest have been quite straight forward and have been running successfully for several years.


There are those out there that give everyone a bad name, and some deservedly so, but to tar everyone with the same brush I take exception too.

There is not one person on this site who has not had the oportunity to bid for stalking that has become available, wether it be from the FC SW Tilhill or Fountain etc.
You complain heavily about the FC yet I know of two leases that have put the FC to shame with prices in excess of £7.50 per acre and these are from some of the companies mentioned.
My local golf club charges over £1200 per annum and for half the year you cannot get on it.
The local health club charges £45 per month plus fees.

£1000 per annum what is that £20 per week, most of you spend that on alcohol or pizza hut or macdonalds or cigarettes.


The FC lease I have, was done not to make money, but stop someone with deep pockets getting some excellent stalking and be lost for 5 years to us mere mortals.

I spent hours getting the paper work correct, I spent hours in interviews, I spent hours on risk assessments, hours on a deer management plan.I spent hours showing some of you round, all at a cost to me but not to you...
then to be critisized for getting of my arse and getting it sorted..


rant over

regards
griff

Nice one griff..

I liked that

 

[User00022]

Well said Griff...

 

[dieseldan]

I knew when I posted this that some would get the hump and the usual sycophantic arse lickers would be trumpeting away.

This site is getting like a wee cliquey club and some are all bum chums and some are obviously not. I made a valid point if you dont like it then you can **** off or put you brain into gear and work it out.

I am NOT tarring everyone with the same brush. Look at some of the posters on the site. They contribute enormously and have been an asset to stalking and continue to do so. Then look at the ones who contribute nothing but stalking leases. Why is everyone so paranoid. We know who they are.

I have no personal axe to grind. If I had it would be done face to face.

remove this if you like I am beyond caring

 

[Mannlicher_Stu]

I knew when I posted this that some would get the hump and the usual sycophantic arse lickers would be trumpeting away.

This site is getting like a wee cliquey club and some are all bum chums and some are obviously not. I made a valid point if you dont like it then you can **** off or put you brain into gear and work it out.

I am NOT tarring everyone with the same brush. Look at some of the posters on the site. They contribute enormously and have been an asset to stalking and continue to do so. Then look at the ones who contribute nothing but stalking leases. Why is everyone so paranoid. We know who they are.

I have no personal axe to grind. If I had it would be done face to face.

remove this if you like I am beyond caring

My thoughts on the matter exactly whats happened to valid points of view here there are people out there buying the stalking and selling stalking at prices that have gone through the roof and in the process of making a wedge of cash thats for sure. These people are more than capable or think they are of selling boomerangs to Whinging Tommies the last time such a story was put together in my view 3 wise men came from the east, and a virgin gave birth
so much so I nearly cried and bought a boomerang myself


My views are with Dieseldan on this one the only difference i do have a personal axe to grind, but i have no intention of sharpenning it on here. And all this ganging up on this forum needs to stop in my view if someone has a different point of view they should be entitled to voice that point of view instead of being set upon by the wolf and his pack of followers, some may call that a clique I call it bullying.
Know doubt I shall now be given the red card and banned but who cares at least some of you have had the benefit of my view, and i have had the benefit of some others as well.
Thanks

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

I knew when I posted this that some would get the hump and the usual sycophantic arse lickers would be trumpeting away.

This site is getting like a wee cliquey club and some are all bum chums and some are obviously not. I made a valid point if you dont like it then you can **** off or put you brain into gear and work it out.

I am NOT tarring everyone with the same brush. Look at some of the posters on the site. They contribute enormously and have been an asset to stalking and continue to do so. Then look at the ones who contribute nothing but stalking leases. Why is everyone so paranoid. We know who they are.

I have no personal axe to grind. If I had it would be done face to face.

remove this if you like I am beyond caring

Easy Tiger..

So your saying a few replies in agreement with a view slightly diferent from yours calls for the if you dont like it **** OFF

Your right this site aint what it used to be..

I aint attacking you personally but this is yet another thread reduced to ****

Ive had some right banter on here over some of my posts about My Own Experiences of the RSPB and what they do in my area which caused a right storm and a thread on poaching which some took umbridge to..

And i aint one to shy away from bit of banter on the net or face to face..

Looking over the threads of late there aint a whole lot of fun in them..

Cross stitch pearl one..

Shame..

Regards

Terry

 

[Gazza]

Griff, Don't see anybody in this thread accusing anybody of outright dishonesty but when you say " I spent hours getting the paper work correct, I spent hours in interviews, I spent hours on risk assessments, hours on a deer management plan.I spent hours showing some of you round, all at a cost to me but not to you..." at least be honest that you are not doing this solely as a favour for us "mere mortals", you are doing it as a business to make cash. I have no real problem with that or you but you must accept that the more middlemen there are who are trying to make a buck (no pun intended) out of a lease the more expensive it becomes.

IMO there are a few persons like yourself who have/are building up portfolios of leases making it almost impossible for a "mere mortal" to acquire a lease if they so wished. OK, what you are putting a syndicate rifle out at is comparable with a golf club membership/gym etc but it is still the Forestry price plus your slice (and possibly more VAT) which makes it more expensive than say a few friends getting together and paying only the Forestry price which just maybe a lot less if it was not for "the big boys" placing bids well over "reasonable" to ensure they get the lease.

This thread is/was about leases being pricey - your slice is part of the price

 

[griff]

Gazza,
unfortunately the slice of the pie for me is very thin indeed.
The two private leases belong to a friend on who's land I have shot over the last 15 years, I lease them on his behalf, no profit there!
The Scottish woodlands lease I have had for about 8 years, I gave up stalking those areas so someone else could have the opportunity and it is let at cost.
The latest addtion is the FC ground which is the first FC let I have ever had, I was not the highest bidder for the lease,I put in a tremendous amount of work prior to the lease being assigned, I have no doubt that if anyone had put the same amount of work in and bid a higher price then they would now be the lease holder.Big boys putting in high prices does not guarrantee that you will get it!
My leases only wipe their feet and nothing else..
I know there are those that are in it for the money, I am not one of those, otherwise you would be paying £1000+ for a syndicate gun..

There is as we speak some ground that has just become available, I know that I will not get a sniff at it, as I know of one foreign group that has put in a bid for it,but I will go through the motions and put myself forward and who knows maybe next time I will be considered, nothing ventured nothing gained.

The current spate of FC lease were available to everyone and were even posted on here, I would like to ask who on this site went for a FC lease, who got an interview?

I liken stalking leases to buying on e-bay, sometimes you get out bid and are sold for more than what you think it is worth..but thats life!

regards
griff

 

[Lee 308]

@steviemaysa , i have been on mossdale m8 and there are a few red on there but not many, 3 stags that i know of were taken last season and a good number of roe. Its not as big a lease this year because a lot is being harvested the now.

 

[Hunting Solutions]

Well, I have met Griff only once, last week.

I went up to view a lease he had available and have to say he seems a very decent sort to me. We were offered the lease at a set price, we thought the price was fair, accepted it and shook hands. Now this is my point: I don't care what Neil had paid for the lease or whether he made 10% out of the deal or 100%...nothing to do with me, we were happy, Neil was happy; good business alround. I have a gunshop/mail order fieldsports company and I get grief all the time from people wanting discount this and discount that, but I'm in it to make a living, its my job and I want paid for it.

Goods/services are only worth what someone is prepared to pay, thats just the way it is.

If its seems that agents are making a few quid, then good luck to them, if its any consolation, I've just got back from the IWA show and hooked up with some Chinese suppliers who are supplying a few of the major UK importers...some of these importers are then making 1200% PROFIT on resale! (no typo, really is 1200%)

Everyone is entitled to make a few bob, lets all try to just get on.