Stalking locked down?

[Odders]

My guns and rifles will be staying firmly put in the cabinets, I will not be shooting in any form until told it is ok to do so.

But, and this is a serious question, I have two fields, very rural, about 1 minute drive from where I live. Within these fields I have quite a large allotment, all fenced, water from a bore hole, all the beds are ready to go for growing veg. There is very, very little chance of coming into contact with anyone unless they are trespassing. Would tending to my fields and allotment, and using them to exercise my dog be justified. Thoughts please.

Absolutely, as you're not getting close to anyone else, you're getting exercise, exercising your dog AND lessening your need to shop as often for perishables.
I'll be digging over the back garden this week, & hopefully buying seeds online.

 

[Odders]

Yet again...what part of 'stay at home' is difficult to understand?

No body said stay at home unless it doesn't suit you, or because an FEO says so(?), or because a farmer says so.

An instruction from the PM trumps all that .... 'stay at home' was his clear and unequivocal instruction.

That's it. Surely?

You missed out the exemption for daily, solitary exercise.

 

[DK.260]

Folks, before you think about heading out for whatever reason....please do listen to this



Apologies if If the link doesn't work I'm sure you could paste in into your search engine

 

[DK.260]

Folks, before you think about heading out for whatever reason....please do listen to this



Apologies if If the link doesn't work I'm sure you could paste in into your search engine

 

[finnbear270]

, I am struggling with the blase’ sweeping statements from anyone who is ignoring a firm directive ... that could if continually ignored, .... may soon turn into a real curfew. Maybe if the f###wits went and asked a few NHS staff for their opinion on it.?

 

[Sika-Hunter]

I was thinking I would carry on at one stage but listening to front end experts I saw the light.

One of the best things said on this thread

 

[sh1kar]

Just got this from BDS

BDS Update:

Stalking During the Current Covid-19 Government Restrictions
There has been a great deal of speculation as to whether deerstalking is an acceptable activity in the current situation. The government has given clear instructions that people must stay at home and avoid all non-essential travel.

It is the opinion of the BDS that recreational stalking, and its associated travel implications, are not essential and should therefore not take place at the current time.

Professional Stalkers should seek the advice of their employers, line managers or landowners.

We are aware that a number of organisations including SNH, FE and FLS have ceased all culling operations as of today.

The situation remains under constant review and further guidance will be given as appropriate.

To review the latest recommendations and restrictions issued by the UK Government regarding Coronavirus/Covid-19 visit https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus

 

[Crow Man]

Folks, before you think about heading out for whatever reason....please do listen to this



Apologies if If the link doesn't work I'm sure you could paste in into your search engine

Tears in my eyes mate listening to that, as I said before both my wife and daughter are nurses. They are frightened when they go to work yet they still GO. They have to go to work to to care for these people.
We can care for them by STAYING AT HOME, PLEASE.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

This is the new Brexit with everybody thinking they know better. Well I get it and am staying home for the duration.

 

[Deermanagement]

I spoke with Police Scotland today and was told anyone caught shooting in any shape or form not for their No1 employment will be deemed irresponsible and have their ticket revoked! be warned.

Just been going through the first 8 pages of mainly one-way advice in posts until I came across this one. In anticipation of something like this, a couple of weeks ago I registered a company name so that it could be deemed I was at work whilst stalking. I did this for a number of reasons, to maintain leases and to ensure I could start a new lease on a piece of woodland I've been working on for a few years after a former leaseholder I used to cull for in the same woodland, lost it in 2016. It is a fantastic block of woodland surrounded by farmland that is part of my lease and a couple of months ago, following a meeting, we've finally agreed for me to take it for the buck season.

So today, the owners have mailed to say they are happy for me to start, and have given me all the associated information and contacts that I need. So........ this evening, I'm going to have to write to them and explain that although I am happy to kick off the lease, morals dictate that I will not be able to get there until free movement is relaxed. They may not be happy about....... and I may loose it before I've even started. That'll be a right disappointment, but people are both loosing and risking lives.

I'm a lot poorer than I was a month ago and have more to be concerned about other than jobs, stalking, pensions, besides other things, but if you do what's right, maybe you'll be treated right later on.

So yes, along with the moral argument, a directive has been made, and if police have suggested revocation of certificates, there's no argument.

I'll send the messages and emails to owners a little later and hope for the best

 

[reloader54]

BDS Update:

Stalking During the Current Covid-19 Government Restrictions
There has been a great deal of speculation as to whether deerstalking is an acceptable activity in the current situation. The government has given clear instructions that people must stay at home and avoid all non-essential travel.

It is the opinion of the BDS that recreational stalking, and its associated travel implications, are not essential and should therefore not take place at the current time.

Professional Stalkers should seek the advice of their employers, line managers or landowners.

We are aware that a number of organisations including SNH, FE and FLS have ceased all culling operations as of today.

The situation remains under constant review and further guidance will be given as appropriate.

To review the latest recommendations and restrictions issued by the UK Government regarding Coronavirus/Covid-19 visit https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus

 

[Woodsmoke]

I think a bit of commonsense needs to be used. There's a world of difference between driving a hundred miles, stopping off at every shop, petrol station, mates house, and visiting your granny on the way, and a few miles to a remote area for a few hours of solitary activity, whether that be having to drive from the inner city to exercise your dogs, or having a wander for a deer or a few rabbits . . .

 

[Freeforester]

It'll be interesting to see people's views on this in 2-3 wks time when 800 people a day are dying and the NHS has collapsed

I feel that IF that is the case, then it may be argued that the measures put in place today are either insufficiently stringent, or incorrectly targeted. Either way, we will wonder what could have been done better, to 'flatten the curve'?

Human nature and custom and habit are hard to change overnight, even in a willing populace; further down the road, we will have to decide which is the safer strategy for wider society: centralised, concentrated places of food distribution, along with its attendant risks of cross-infection, or more localised, smaller scale and diffuse food distribution models, the risks associated with which do not spill over to a greater number of people?

My EHO got back in touch:

"Ok, so Police have not stopped your hunting activity it seems. [spot the qualification there]

'We have taken a few enquiries from food businesses adapting and wishing to provide a delivery service to keep the nation fed. The multiples (Asda and Tesco) have no delivery slots or click and collect slots left.'

Goes on to say:
'When we get more info and clarity from Scottish Government, will get it to you. Latest update suggest more information for employers on ‘essential’ is pending.

Reading the 23.3.2020 briefing it says businesses not on the list may remain open. You’re a business-https://assets.publishing.service.g..._staying_at_home_and_away_from_others__1_.pdf



But that was 24 hours ago. More will no doubt be revealed.' (Ends)

I know globalisation did not outright cause Covid 19's 'stellar' rise per se, but it would appear to have greatly facilitated its ubiquity today; perhaps Mr David Fleming's vision of future community structures (- Surviving the Future, Chelsea Green publishing) may point out some of the advantages of a smaller scale and relatively localised food network.

We do indeed, appear to be living in "interesting times"...

 

[sh1kar]

I think a bit of commonsense needs to be used. There's a world of difference between driving a hundred miles, stopping off at every shop, petrol station, mates house, and visiting your granny on the way, and a few miles to a remote area for a few hours of solitary activity, whether that be having to drive from the inner city to exercise your dogs, or having a wander for a deer or a few rabbits . . .

I think the issue is driving at all for non essential reasons eg work as if you do have a crash and need an ambulance you are diverting nhs resources And may not get one anyway I agree all a grey area I am v lucky as can walk out of house with rifle I will do min stalking anyway as prob dealer won't take carcasses so will only shoot for self and meat for people in village if wanted
S

 

[Idlemusket]

D&C have been doing random spot checks on vehicle movements today being very reasonable I think but as the CC Shaun said in an interview on the radio "Take the Micky and its an instant fine.".. OK £70 isn't going to break the bank but what if the word "irresponsible" is used come renewal?
BDS advice seems reasonable to me

 

[mchughcb]

It'll be interesting to see people's views on this in 2-3 wks time when 800 people a day are dying and the NHS has collapsed

In all seriousness as a country with some of the most restrictive firearms laws in the world with one of the most solitary endeavors the chances of spreading anything are remote. If the NHS collapses it won't be due to stalkers. If the NHS collapses what is the point anyway because you aren't going to get any treatment if you are knocked about by the disease even if you stayed at home but caught the bug waiting 1 hour in a line at tescos.

 

[Ronin]

Unless you are carrying out culling in a professional capacity your daily excercise is unlikely to be interpreted as taking your rifle with you ,,,

Most AGH have shut anyway unless agreed contracts in place

Follow the advice and stay inside unless you absolutely have to go out for one of the four exceptions

 

[Deermanagement]

So today, the owners have mailed to say they are happy for me to start, and have given me all the associated information and contacts that I need. So........ this evening, I'm going to have to write to them and explain that although I am happy to kick off the lease, morals dictate that I will not be able to get there until free movement is relaxed.

I'll send the messages and emails to owners a little later and hope for the best

Part of what I've just sent.....

"I will leave this decision to you I'm afraid, but as previous, I feel I must do the right thing, not withstanding issues relating to police, firearms certificates and the temporary removal of insurance."

If it's not accepted at least I'll feel okay about it......

 

[geordieh]

I think a bit of commonsense needs to be used. There's a world of difference between driving a hundred miles, stopping off at every shop, petrol station, mates house, and visiting your granny on the way, and a few miles to a remote area for a few hours of solitary activity, whether that be having to drive from the inner city to exercise your dogs, or having a wander for a deer or a few rabbits . . .

no the instruction is STAY IN UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.Now which bit of that is difficult to understand

 

[Woodsmoke]

Now which bit of that is difficult to understand

Shelve the attitude, cupcake