Indeed. The guy looks like he's had a tough day. ~MuirI remember the picture on the left . That was a particularly ugly little war .
AB
That's pretty much what the Rangers do . I spent a fair amount of time with them up north ( regular forces ) . Their job is to be the eyes of the regular forces . They also have intimate knowledge of the Arctic and serve as guides , and mentors , for Canadian Forces personnel who are serving in the north , a job they do extremely well . They are told explicitly that they are not to engage , they are there to observe and report .The Steyr Scout was designed as an all round rifle for a scout. The main job of a scout is well ahead of main body of army scouting and gatherIng information, tracking the enemy and to then lead the main body of the army to where the enemy is - or these days to call in fire support.
A scout needs a rifle to feed himself and for personal protection, but fundamentally he is not doing his job correctly if he gets into a full on fire fight - in this case he has been discovered and that’s not the point of scouts.
The roll of scouts as envisioned by Cooper etc is probably long gone. More likely it’s the Canadian Ranger type role which still needs such a rifle. The Colt C-19 and the civilian Tikka T3x Arctic are probably a better interpretation, only addition I would have would be a scope in detacheable rings in your pack so you can maximise accuracy if and when needed. But iron sights work well in very cold weather.
It’s a great rifle but heavy at 10 lbs without scope.I just googled Canadian Rangers and the tikka t3x Artic in .308 came up as there new rifle . It looks a cracking rifle
That's pretty much what the Rangers do . I spent a fair amount of time with them up north ( regular forces ) . Their job is to be the eyes of the regular forces . They also have intimate knowledge of the Arctic and serve as guides , and mentors , for Canadian Forces personnel who are serving in the north , a job they do extremely well . They are told explicitly that they are not to engage , they are there to observe and report .
AB
Actually its 4.0 kg. 8.8 lbs. It was designed to the spec. that the Rangers wanted, and several other manufacturers submitted rifles for their trials. They selected the Colt Canada C19, built under license from Tikka/Sako.It’s a great rifle but heavy at 10 lbs without scope.
Found these pics on a Steyr site. Kosovo -not dated. These are two of several showing soldiers carrying Scouts. One had the Jeff Cooper logo on the stock but it came out too murky to post. The scope in the right hand photo appears to be the original, factory-mounted Leupold 2.5X ~Muir
The C19 is proving to be popular with the Rangers . It had a few teething problems , nothing major , but that isn't unusual in any new weapons platform . I recently had the opportunity to acquire an ex Ranger Longbranch No4 Mrk1* . It belonged to a friend's late father ( I said no , it should stay in the family , it went to a nephew instead ) . It is a testament to the durability of these rifles . It had been rode hard and put away wet for many years , but it still worked perfectly . There is a large portion of the Rangers that still prefer the Lee Enfield , can't say I blame them .Actually its 4.0 kg. 8.8 lbs. It was designed to the spec. that the Rangers wanted, and several other manufacturers submitted rifles for their trials. They selected the Colt Canada C19, built under license from Tikka/Sako.
I daresay it could have been a bit lighter with a synthetic stock, but the rangers require it to operate from −51 to 39 °C And be extremely durable. Know of any synthetic stocks that you could trust at -51 C and still be rigid at +39 ?
Canadian Rangers - Wikipedia
The bolt-action Lee–Enfield was then issued to the PCMR as the standard rifle later during the war and it continued to be used by the Canadian Rangers when they were established in 1947. Due to the economy of the .303 (there were thousands left over after the war) and the robust nature of the rifle (especially in conditions such as extreme cold), it was not replaced for use even after being taken out of general service in the remainder of the Canadian military in the 1950s. It has remained in service with the Canadian Rangers for over 70 years and has proven to be most reliable in adverse conditions even in the Canadian Arctic environment.
With the issue of the C19 as their new service rifle in 2015, the Canadian Rangers were officially gifted their retired Lee-Enfields by the Canadian Armed Forces.
The Tikka T3x Arctic is not really the same thing. Colt Canada C19 - Wikipedia And is slightly heavier, at 4.1 kg. Almost exactly the same weight as a Lee Enfield No. 4, 4.11 kg, 9 lbs.
The Steyr Scout was pretty new at the time. Somehow the Kosovo Liberation Army (Albanians) got their hands on a bunch of them.
A quick search came up with the following comments:
From Jeff Cooper:
from Coopers commentaries vol 7 no7
"In Austria we were informed that there are between 35 and 50 Steyr Scouts in Kosovo."
from volume 6 #6
"We suppose you all saw that news photograph of the Steyr Scout on active duty in Kosovo. We tried to find out how it got there, but the silence is deafening. It is interesting to note that the high cost of the SS rifle did not keep it out of the hands of these ragged freedom fighters. Money does not seem to be their principal problem.
One of the our European friends pointed out that the SS rifle is a "sporting rifle." I guess that depends on one's definition of sport. The Albanians may hold that Serb-shooting is a very popular sport in their neck of the woods."
Apparently he also commented at the time that "At least he is well armed". I'm not sure he approved of his new rifle attracting this publicity.
Kosovo Liberation Army - Wikipedia
The KLA received large funds from Albanian diaspora organizations. There have been allegations that it used narcoterrorism to finance its operations.[21][22] Abuses and war crimes were committed by the KLA during and after the conflict, such as massacres of civilians, prison camps and destruction of cultural heritage sites.[23] In April 2014, the Assembly of Kosovo considered and approved the establishment of a special court to try cases involving crimes and other serious abuses allegedly committed in 1999–2000 by members of the KLA.[24] In June 2020 the Kosovo Specialist Chambers and Specialist Prosecutor's Office filed indictments for crimes against humanity and war crimes against a number of former KLA members,
FWIW. There is a 10 round conversion that is easily done and the spare mag well was designed from the start to accept the longer magazine. (I don't think any part of this rifle is afterthought) I have the conversion with several magazines but for me, it really spoils the handling characteristics of the rifle so it came off about as fast as it went on. ~Muir".... limited mag capacity, even including the spare in the stock."
I'm not surprised that the C19 is popular. Yes I am aware of a few initial niggles, soon sorted. I understand that it is expected to have a service life of 30 years. And yet their very youngest Lee Enfield No 4s would have been from 1955. 67 years old today (same as mine, Fazakerley Irish Contract No 4 Mk 2, which I bought brand new, over 15 years ago, last rifle I'll be selling). But, gulp, apparently ones like mine sell for up to $2000 nowadays in the US. I'd better not say what I paid for mineThe C19 is proving to be popular with the Rangers . It had a few teething problems , nothing major , but that isn't unusual in any new weapons platform . I recently had the opportunity to acquire an ex Ranger Longbranch No4 Mrk1* . It belonged to a friend's late father ( I said no , it should stay in the family , it went to a nephew instead ) . It is a testament to the durability of these rifles . It had been rode hard and put away wet for many years , but it still worked perfectly . There is a large portion of the Rangers that still prefer the Lee Enfield , can't say I blame them .
You bring up a good point about synthetic stocks . Deep cold does make them susceptible to breakage , and the Rangers are very hard on equipment lol .
AB
I'm not surprised that the C19 is popular. Yes I am aware of a few initial niggles, soon sorted. I understand that it is expected to have a service life of 30 years. And yet their very youngest Lee Enfield No 4s would have been from 1955. 67 years old today (same as mine, Fazakerley Irish Contract No 4 Mk 2, which I bought brand new, over 15 years ago, last rifle I'll be selling). But, gulp, apparently ones like mine sell for up to $2000 nowadays in the US. I'd better not say what I paid for mine
I do think mine would be not far from the performance of the new thing, realistically, in the circumstances. Just a bit longer (better sight radius). and the weaker 303 round compared with the heavy 180 gr 308 cartridge. But there again, I don't intend to shoot polar bears at -50C with mine, though clearly it used to do the job well enough.
Here is an interesting vid, well at least to me, comparing the two.
It is also shorter stocked than the Tikka civilian version, presumably to better fit the majority of the people who field it, particularly in suitable clothing in the cold. Though it also comes with butt plate extensions too. As well a a Pelikan case, field service and cleaning kit, sling, soft case, etc. etc.
TBH I can't see an optic being much use at -50C, one puff of moist breath on it and it would be fogged/frozen up for the duration.
Whilst the Tikka T3x Arctic version seems like a very expensive purchase on the civilian market it's not quite the same thing (over £4000 here, for wannabees).
According to Wikipedia The Rangers have bought 6,500 of them, at $Canadian 2,500 each. (About £1600 at todays exchange rates, plus tax of course) And presumably a good spares supply.
Doesn't seem too expensive.
They are as well set up to manufacture their own specific ammunition, using a Nosler 180 gr Accubond, to meet their specific requirements.
The C19 has the following modifications from the original Tikka T3 CTR:
Larger bolt handle and enlarged trigger guard to accommodate gloved hands
Protected front and rear iron sights
Laminated stock in unique red colour with Ranger badge
Two-stage trigger with three-position safety
The T3x also comes with the commercial version bolt shroud and cocking piece, lacks the multi-position QD sling loops of the C-19. Rather being fitted with Uncle Mikes mounting studs on the underside
Mine came from a Lee Enfield specialist at a gun show. We were already on good terms. He had done all the hard work unwrapping it, de-cosmolining, treating the stock with linseed oil and turpentine, checking the bedding was spot on, etc. That would have been a real hassle for me at the time, living in a rented flat.I bought an Irish contract No 4 myself . I'd post a pic , but there isn't much to look at , it's still in the factory wrapping . I've never actually seen it . I've come close to unwrapping it a few times over the years , but I've promised my daughter that it's hers when I go for a dirt nap . I paid about $ 300 CDN for it around 20 years ago . As you pointed out , they sell for north of 2000 now . I have a few Long Branch and Maltby No 4's that I shoot regularly , that helps kill the urge .
I watch a lot of Rifle Chairs videos myself , a very informative guy . He's done some really good videos on Lee Enfields as working rifles as well .
AB
Yup. I have one of the conversion kits and 2 of the 10 shot mags that I bought at the same time as I got the .308 Jeff Cooper Scout.FWIW. There is a 10 round conversion that is easily done and the spare mag well was designed from the start to accept the longer magazine. (I don't think any part of this rifle is afterthought) I have the conversion with several magazines but for me, it really spoils the handling characteristics of the rifle so it came off about as fast as it went on. ~Muir