Substantial, huh?

[1000kilograhams]

Enhanced security for larger amounts of firearms isn’t really onerous, they’re not looking for anything that’s beyond someone with a few DIY skills to install some motion lights, alarm and cameras. Plenty of good options out there and goes hand in hand with responsible firearm ownership in my opinion.

I agree in principle and I also appreciate if someone shoots a lot of long range and practical shotgun and want a safe full of 9+1 Barettas and Benellis, a pallet of slugs to go with those and some .300 and .338 rifles, then they wish to store them in their home situated firmly in the ghetto, they are much higher risk than us country bumpkins who keep things to ourselves and have never posted a firearm picture on social media, but if you hunt/pest control and happen to like target shooting you could immediately be at 5.

7+ or the typical 10 seems a more reasonable level and I had the belief that whole the HO won't put a firm number on it that this was the 'spirit' of their guideline... Outside of higher risk areas and firearms

Not arguing and I'm always happy to hear other takes on things, so thank you, appreciated

 

[trickie]

A@S room me that 5+ required added security. Not bad advice and the easy methods are posted already

 

[Jagged77]

I agree in principle and I also appreciate if someone shoots a lot of long range and practical shotgun and want a safe full of 9+1 Barettas and Benellis, a pallet of slugs to go with those and some .300 and .338 rifles, then they wish to store them in their home situated firmly in the ghetto, they are much higher risk than us country bumpkins who keep things to ourselves and have never posted a firearm picture on social media, but if you hunt/pest control and happen to like target shooting you could immediately be at 5.

7+ or the typical 10 seems a more reasonable level and I had the belief that whole the HO won't put a firm number on it that this was the 'spirit' of their guideline... Outside of higher risk areas and firearms

Not arguing and I'm always happy to hear other takes on things, so thank you, appreciated

Risk profile is absolutely valid but then on the subject of country vs city - if you know what to look for you can spot a shooter a mile off in the countryside! Plus less surveillance and like you say, it’s not expected.

I don’t think anyone can rest on their laurels to be honest and for the sake of 3 or 4 boxes of Sako Blades you can put something in place that’ll do the job.

 

[timbrayford]

Risk profile is absolutely valid but then on the subject of country vs city - if you know what to look for you can spot a shooter a mile off in the countryside! Plus less surveillance and like you say, it’s not expected.

I don’t think anyone can rest on their laurels to be honest and for the sake of 3 or 4 boxes of Sako Blades you can put something in place that’ll do the job.

I'm not so sure that alarms have any practical value in remote rural areas other than as a box ticking exercise. There's no-one to hear them and in the highly unlikely event that the police are notified the burglars will long since have been and gone before any meaningful response from them.

 

[Jagged77]

I'm not so sure that alarms have any practical value in remote rural areas other than as a box ticking exercise. There's no-one to hear them and in the highly unlikely event that the police are notified the burglars will long since have been and gone before any meaningful response from them.

You can get monitored alarms that will call a list of numbers, even the Police. A nearby neighbour is more likely to take notice and do something if they’re on the list. Addition of cameras means peace of mind whilst away along with cellular backups.

Gun safes should be difficult to gain access to - if there’s no alarm they’ve all the time in the world to tackle it. Are they going to stay there with an alarm going off?

 

[Rhodesianjess]

We have a private school within the estate, very expensive. Quite often the alarm blares all night, no-one in the nearest village takes a bit of notice. The police don't attend, their CCTV system has never seen any police response and as far as I'm aware, the alarm is linked to the them.

 

[25 Sharps]

Take a look at the guidelines in the firearms security handbook, fore armed is fore warned, don't expect the police to have the foggiest idea about firearms law.

To be fair the security handbook is only guidance, rather than law. Still worth referring to in any discussion though.

 

[long_range_rob]

12+ in Surrey but I’ve stuck a Ring Doorbell watching the cabinets so triggered by movement and notifies me plus records the perp!

 

[nick.308]

does a gun under your pillow count for extra security?

 

[timbrayford]

You can get monitored alarms that will call a list of numbers, even the Police. A nearby neighbour is more likely to take notice and do something if they’re on the list. Addition of cameras means peace of mind whilst away along with cellular backups.

Gun safes should be difficult to gain access to - if there’s no alarm they’ve all the time in the world to tackle it. Are they going to stay there with an alarm going off?

Average time that a burglar spends once inside your property is around a couple of minutes or so, just long enough to take a few slices out of the cabinet door with a decent angle grinder, to gain access. Police response times around here are at very best 20-30 minutes, if they have people available, otherwise a couple of hours if they need back up from elsewhere. Remote rural properties don't have nearby neighbours

 

[VSS]

Average time that a burglar spends once inside your property is around a couple of minutes or so, just long enough to take a few slices out of the cabinet door with a decent angle grinder, to gain access. Police response times around here are at very best 20-30 minutes, if they have people available, otherwise a couple of hours if they need back up from elsewhere. Remote rural properties don't have nearby neighbours

Reminds me of this passage from Sherlock Holmes "The Adventure of the Copper Beeches":

 

[John Gryphon]

Nah, you need at least 2 for each of those days amd Sundays is club shoot so that’s at least 6!

Beware the man with one gun has been said.

In this day and age , enhanced security is a good idea whether you shoot or not !

Enhanced I believe is a gun in every room including the garage and schitter.

 

[VSS]

Enhanced I believe is a gun in every room including the garage and schitter.

That means that wherever in the house the criminal is, he'll have access to a gun. I don't think I'd like that very much. Better to have only one gun, and for that to be in my hands.

Beware the man with one gun has been said.

 

[John Gryphon]

That means that wherever in the house the criminal is, he'll have access to a gun. I don't think I'd like that very much. Better to have only one gun, and for that to be in my hands.

Timmy old boy...you as the home owner have the advantage as "he the ****" doesn't know that you have one in every room and doesn't know where they are.

 

[Klenchblaize]

I find this rather amusing (probably wrong word) as it suggests the Op has little or anything of significant value or sentiment, other than firearms, within his property worthy of meaningful security arrangements!

Only comment I've received of note from a FEO was "where are the machine gun implacements?" or some such.

K

 

[25 Sharps]

Beware the man with one gun has been said.

Yeah, I don’t really subscribe to that, all CF deer and fox rifles are zeroed 1.8” high so are bang on out to 225 yards, a coupe of inches to 250. If I’m going further than 250 then I take the .280 or on the odd occasion the 300 PRC.

The only exceptions being the 45-70 and 30-30 lever guns which are zeroed dead on at 100 and I don’t push past 120 yards with those.

FAC air rifle for rats and rabbits where a live round is too noisy or unsafe. Rimfires for rabbits and hares at closer range or again, where noise is an issue.

The rest are for target, we shoot various disciplines at my 2 clubs, gallery rifle, 200 yard sporting comp, 300 yard McQueens and out to 600/800/900/1000 yards. 1 gun won’t cover all that.

Plus I like reloading for and shooting different guns!

 

[John Gryphon]

Yeah, I don’t really ascribe to that

it is amazing as to what some men can do with one only. SOME men cant do much with 20 guns ha ha.

 

[25 Sharps]

it is amazing as to what some men can do with one only. SOME men cant do much with 20 guns ha ha.

If you say so.

For deer I could get by with just the .280, but where’s the fun in that? Suppose I could shoot foxes, rabbits and rats with it but that would get expensive with copper bullets and damage the yards where the rats are and have the livestock in the barns going mental.

As for target, range energy and velocity limits come into play, as do ballistics, the 45-70 is 7.2 mil drop at 300, I don’t think it would get to 1000 within the scope’s adjustment, but 405 cast loads at 25/50/100 yards is great fun.

 

[John Gryphon]

If you say so.

if i have seen so.

 

[25 Sharps]

if i have seen so.

Probably, but I would suggest the men who can’t do anything with 20 guns, also likely couldn’t do anything with just 1.

And the men with 1 gun likely could do just as well with 20!