So only hunting counts?
I think a few people on here would disagree.
Sweden - Gun Laws to be strengthened
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I think a few people on here would disagree.
carlisleredneck
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They were lost on your watch, not mine. Maybe if you showed so much concern at the time then things might be different. It makes absolutely no difference my opinion on things now, this was done and dusted when I was still in school. Current legislation is all I have known so I have to make the best of it. You want to be bitter about it fine, I’ve got better, more important things to occupy my time.
carlisleredneck
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Why? Because some people don’t like to hear different opinions? Because that’s all this is, different sides of the same coin. Nothing that gets said on here is going to change anything so we can say it as we see it. And that goes for both sides of the argument.
This is from the internet about the Lambourne Road siege.
Senior officers attended and devised a plan. Only four revolvers were available! They settled on a frontal assault using four officers two of them armed, while two more would give covering fire. Just as the plan was about to be put into practice Nikoloff leapt from the window, dropping his shotgun. A shot was discharged on impact as the gun hit the ground. Nikoloff was overpowered and arrested. It finally dispelled the myth that shotguns were somehow not so lethal as other firearms.
Senior officers attended and devised a plan. Only four revolvers were available! They settled on a frontal assault using four officers two of them armed, while two more would give covering fire. Just as the plan was about to be put into practice Nikoloff leapt from the window, dropping his shotgun. A shot was discharged on impact as the gun hit the ground. Nikoloff was overpowered and arrested. It finally dispelled the myth that shotguns were somehow not so lethal as other firearms.
blankfirer
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They knew he was a wrong un and had a criminal record but still allowed him to have firearms
Yes it was recommended he had his firearms certs removed but it was over ruled by the chief inspector of Stirlingshire police force back then.
There are lots of stories of Hamilton running Scouts groups with trips to Loch Lomand islands, if I remember correctly the boats he had were bought from Stirlingshire police force at an extremely discounted price.
My point is the authorities had many opportunities to deal with Hamilton long before the tragic shooting, it wasn't hand guns that let this happen it was a failure of Stirlingshire Police not removing the threat when they first became aware.
Scipio
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Hello mateAs one would likely expect after this appalling tragedy Sweden is to review firearm legislation which will no doubt place stricter controls on firearms ownership. Much of this could have been predicted especially when politicians must be seen to be doing something…
Sweden plans tighter gun laws after deadly school shooting Sweden plans tighter gun laws after Orebro school shooting
I note from the article that semi-auto rifles are still legal in Sweden and surprisingly in some cases fully automatic ownership is permitted. As is the tradition by now “black rifles” i.e, so-called “Assault Rifles” e.g. M16s etc. are being used as an example - much like in the USA where for some time similar shootings have been carried out with these (and other) firearms.
As a long-time owner of an assortment of firearms and a defender of the right to own them I still, in all honesty, cannot see how ownership of a semi-auto centrefire rifle is justified or in truth a defendable position to take - I may be missing something but I know not what. What is the SD membership’s view?
Well, in Italy semi auto rifles are allowed, or at least they were when i lived there, and they were most often used in group boar hunting. I assume the rational is, that where quick follow up shots are necessary, a semi auto can be justified.
Here in Denmark i dont think i have ever seen one, tbh. , but that could also be because there isnt tradition for it, rather than because it is illegal as such.
But as you write, it was to be expected that there would be a political reaction to the shooting, clever, or unclever and rushed or unrushed as that reaction might be.
In general i have thought for a while that the gun laws here in Denmark, but also in europe, should be revised, so that the level of control imposed on the different types of weapons better reflects just how dangerous/ useful for people with ill intentions they really are, rather than treating most fire arms as close to the same.
For example, a long barreled, difficult to hide, pretty bulky, often low magazine capacity and slow reloading type of weapon as most bolt action rifles are, is probably less useful for criminal enviroments, crazed shooters or, even worse, terrorists than an easy conceiveable semi auto hand gun, or types of shot guns that can be hack sawed down, or that has a folding stock, and are quick to reload by pumping for example. Naturally semi autos, especially shorter ones, would also fall into this special control category.
If there is no rational civilian use for a certain type of fiream, besides pleasure of ownership, and the given type of weapon should fall into the "in need of special control" category, well, then the legislators should perhaps consider not giving permits for such weapons, or, alternatively being very restrictive with regards to who gets them.
Scipio
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Hello my friend
Well that is a very long, likely complex, but also most interesting political discussion. .-)But yep, i think the swedes themselves are discussing this quite heavily in recent years, and still are to this day. It will likely take a long time to get right again, and that is if they actually find the right political direction to follow, and then stick by it, which of course is no certain thing.
Interestingly, Sweden is sorounded by states not structured that differently from their own, like Denmark, Norway and Finland, and this structure was set to a good bit by the swedish social democratic concept of the well fare of the 20th century, i believe.
But seeing how differently these countries have developed since probably the mid 90ies is likely something that is interesting quite a few people these days with regards to IDing what has gone wrong, and how it can maybe be addressed.
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Actually it does. Quite often.
Meanwhile in the US, we're loosening gun laws. And despite what the media portrays, we don't have shootouts in the streets every day, except maybe in liberal progressive run cities.
Federal Court Declares Machine Gun Ban Unconstitutional
Not that I have a desire to own one, but I'm glad to see that we are going back to the traditional interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.
And for the record, the Federal government estimates for every gun crime committed, 7 are prevented by legally own guns. But then again, we are a gun oriented society, so the mystique of semi-autos and pistols is not nearly as prominent as in Europe and the UK.
Federal Court Declares Machine Gun Ban Unconstitutional
Not that I have a desire to own one, but I'm glad to see that we are going back to the traditional interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.
And for the record, the Federal government estimates for every gun crime committed, 7 are prevented by legally own guns. But then again, we are a gun oriented society, so the mystique of semi-autos and pistols is not nearly as prominent as in Europe and the UK.
Rake Aboot
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As I said
Anti shooting rhetoric.
Either that or blind dumb.
Anti shooting rhetoric.
Either that or blind dumb.
I am not sure it has. Like any country they have their problems. But having been there a few times over the last couple of years, it is friendly, clean and very safe. There are small areas that maybe you wouldn't want to walk around but that's no different to most cities in the UK.
As I can see it the murder rate is around the same as the UK but the violent assault rate is much lower. So you are far more likely to get a punch in the face in the UK. I certainly feel that living in DK is much safer than the UK and I get the same feeing when I'm in Sweden.
There is a reason that the nordic countries are always top of the list for happiness.
Bavarianbrit
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Re the punch in the face. I had done 3.5 years as a woodwork teacher in a mentally handicapped centre in my early 20s ca. 1973 but then went back to designing cars as the wages were too low to live on at the centre. I was advised by the head of the centre that we called them mongols in those days so to me that was the norm.
Now fast forward to 2012 at my local pub in Dover I overheard a chap talking about handicapped so I chipped in in a friendly way that I had once worked with mongols. Boy did he hit the roof threatened to punch my lights out F F F etc, all because his sister was one and that we have to call them Downs Syndromes, I really feared for my well being and did not go back to the pub for a few years. UK is a place where danger is close to the surface, let alone the threat to kill me ("and you know I can because I have done it twice already") that was given to me face to face in 1978 by the new boyfriend of my "I thought" live in partner at the time. You cannot take that to the police as you have no proof.
norsk
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As one would likely expect after this appalling tragedy Sweden is to review firearm legislation which will no doubt place stricter controls on firearms ownership. Much of this could have been predicted especially when politicians must be seen to be doing something…
Sweden plans tighter gun laws after deadly school shooting Sweden plans tighter gun laws after Orebro school shooting
I note from the article that semi-auto rifles are still legal in Sweden and surprisingly in some cases fully automatic ownership is permitted. As is the tradition by now “black rifles” i.e, so-called “Assault Rifles” e.g. M16s etc. are being used as an example - much like in the USA where for some time similar shootings have been carried out with these (and other) firearms.
As a long-time owner of an assortment of firearms and a defender of the right to own them I still, in all honesty, cannot see how ownership of a semi-auto centrefire rifle is justified or in truth a defendable position to take - I may be missing something but I know not what. What is the SD membership’s view?
Because no other sport is restricted to technology from the late 1800s?
Even an AR15 is 70 years old these days,the direct impingement gas system almost 100 years old. No AR15 was involved in the actual shooting,so banning them seems pointless.
It might surprise you that fully automatic rifles are in many peoples hands in the UK too,its just that they dont make a big deal over it.
Foxyboy43
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Rake Aboot
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Owned and shot in the uk by private individualsFully auto rifles? Like machine guns?
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