Sweden - Gun Laws to be strengthened

[Foxyboy43]

Owned and shot in the uk by private individuals

Well that’s a surprise - my understanding was that c/f full autos were a banned firearm though I do know of an RFD who supplies film crews with M38s and M42s…
Pray tell which guns?

 

[Rake Aboot]

Nothing is banned in the UK. Almost anything can be owned using section 5
A lot of historical full autos held at authorised sites by private individuals and regularly fired, at said site. Sect 7. something or other

Not entirely sure of the maritime security aspect of ownership mind, but it’s a thing.

Plus manufacturing, supplying, testing etc.

 

[MarinePMI]

Nothing is banned in the UK. Almost anything can be owned using section 5
A lot of historical full autos held at authorised sites by private individuals and regularly fired, at said site. Sect 7. something or other

Not entirely sure of the maritime security aspect of ownership mind, but it’s a thing.

Plus manufacturing, supplying, testing etc.

Yep. There's about 750,000 FA rifles in the US. Only the manufacture of them was outlawed (except for military purposes). Now with one Federal judge ruling that possession of a machine gun being a felony is unconstitutional, there's a good chance the ban on manufacturing them will get overturned as well. 750,000 FA weapons means they are in "common usage", and therefore protected by the 2nd Amendment, so the policy/law of possessing one being illegal is now unconstitutional, based on the Bruen SCOTUS ruling and test.

 

[JTO]

let alone the threat to kill me ("and you know I can because I have done it twice already")

Reminds me of a farmer who had been an airborne commando in WW2. 14 drops behind enemy lines! Someone cut him up on the road in his tractor. "Come on then. I've killed better Germans than you".

 

[norsk]

Fully auto rifles? Like machine guns?

Yes

They can also fire them

 

[norsk]

Nothing is banned in the UK. Almost anything can be owned using section 5
A lot of historical full autos held at authorised sites by private individuals and regularly fired, at said site. Sect 7. something or other

Not entirely sure of the maritime security aspect of ownership mind, but it’s a thing.

Plus manufacturing, supplying, testing etc.

There are section 5 dealers in the UK who import live full auto's either to deactivate or sell on as live weapons. The live ones are sold primarily to collectors overseas.

The maritime weapons were imported and then supplied to firms generally at the point of exit in the UK . Often these guns went on a one way trip as re importing them was more hassel than it was worth.

So there you go.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Reminds me of a farmer who had been an airborne commando in WW2. 14 drops behind enemy lines! Someone cut him up on the road in his tractor. "Come on then. I've killed better Germans than you".

At the time in 1978 it was very unfunny I had to relocate my job from Wolfsburg to Paris to cut the link he might have hd and the house me and my partner? had together in Hinkley even though I paid all the mortgage still took almost two years to get it repossessed by the building society as I stopped paying to push it along. Mucho hassle and a bad credit rating, I even ended up moving to Deal in Kent to get far away and surprise, I got into shooting. Do I wish him bad? Na dead.

 

[enfieldspares]

Yep. There's about 750,000 FA rifles in the US. Only the manufacture of them was outlawed (except for military purposes). Now with one Federal judge ruling that possession of a machine gun being a felony is unconstitutional, there's a good chance the ban on manufacturing them will get overturned as well. 750,000 FA weapons means they are in "common usage", and therefore protected by the 2nd Amendment, so the policy/law of possessing one being illegal is now unconstitutional, based on the Bruen SCOTUS ruling and test.

I understand that a US $200 Sten Gun ends up costing US $5000 (or some such huge sum) as every time it is sold the seller prices it to match the non-refundable US $200 Federal Transfer Tax (introduced in 1934) that each time it was sold had to me paid.

All future sales of weapons not then registered by 1986 were then banned, for private individuals, when the 1934 legislation was amended.

So I wonder if there will in fact be opposition to the market once more being opened as those US $5000 Sten Guns will now lose all that protection of a new owner having to reimburse the vendor the past paid tranches of US $200?

 

[enfieldspares]

National Firearms Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Scotty99]

As one would likely expect after this appalling tragedy Sweden is to review firearm legislation which will no doubt place stricter controls on firearms ownership. Much of this could have been predicted especially when politicians must be seen to be doing something…
Sweden plans tighter gun laws after deadly school shooting Sweden plans tighter gun laws after Orebro school shooting
I note from the article that semi-auto rifles are still legal in Sweden and surprisingly in some cases fully automatic ownership is permitted. As is the tradition by now “black rifles” i.e, so-called “Assault Rifles” e.g. M16s etc. are being used as an example - much like in the USA where for some time similar shootings have been carried out with these (and other) firearms.
As a long-time owner of an assortment of firearms and a defender of the right to own them I still, in all honesty, cannot see how ownership of a semi-auto centrefire rifle is justified or in truth a defendable position to take - I may be missing something but I know not what. What is the SD membership’s view?

In the USA the AR15 (.223/5.56) is often used for hunting coyotes and other varmints and the AR10 (.308) is often used for hunting hogs. Both types of hunting often requires multiple shots when multiple beasts are found together. Coyotes and hogs are both considered vermin in many States often with no closed seasons or bag limits.

 

[enfieldspares]

Everybody has a public life, a private life and a secret life. Quickly passing over those parts of my secret life when I was sixteen involving Eartha Kitt we come to this. Once upon a time I would have liked to have owned a fully working Vickers Machine Gun which would have given both myself and my late mother great pleasure as we were the grandson and daughter of a man who had served in the Machine Gun Corps in WWI. My late mother being a rifle shooter herself and FAC holder from before WWII until the 1970s. However the buggeration and botheration of the thing (taking up the space of modestly sized armchair) after she sold the big house would have rendered it a PITA eventually. But my opinion is that pretty much everything should be allowed to be owned if held under suitable safeguards to public safety.

 

[Foxyboy43]

I think in my scrambled neurons I had confused “banned” with “prohibited” down largely to the ongoing …. err….discussions in NI about semi-auto “pistols” which happen to have a stock and come in 9mm and if one is a member of a club can be (and are) held for target shooting….

 

[Demetrius]

I'd have my Hi-Power 9mm back, plus an original spec SVD, or possibly an AK47.....but "straight-pull"??.......really?
The very description says it all.....

D

 

[MarinePMI]

I understand that a US $200 Sten Gun ends up costing US $5000 (or some such huge sum) as every time it is sold the seller prices it to match the non-refundable US $200 Federal Transfer Tax (introduced in 1934) that each time it was sold had to me paid.

All future sales of weapons not then registered by 1986 were then banned, for private individuals, when the 1934 legislation was amended.

So I wonder if there will in fact be opposition to the market once more being opened as those US $5000 Sten Guns will now lose all that protection of a new owner having to reimburse the vendor the past paid tranches of US $200?

That is indeed an issue, as demonstrated by some of the suppressor manufacturers opposing the delisting of suppressors from the NFA.

The other issue is the practicality of full auto weapons. It costs a lot in ammunition to feed one, when more times than not, a semi-auto selector is used. Still, having a giggle switch appeals to some, and they would gladly buy one. I'm not sure I would, given the opportunity, but to each their own. I support people's right to own F/A weapons (and the repeal of the NFA), even if I wouldn't likely take advantage of it (which I would argue is another difference between US and UK citizens; the UK citizens seem too often to think only their choice in weapons is the appropriate one).

 

[Jagare]

That is indeed an issue, as demonstrated by some of the suppressor manufacturers opposing the delisting of suppressors from the NFA.

The other issue is the practicality of full auto weapons. It costs a lot in ammunition to feed one, when more times than not, a semi-auto selector is used. Still, having a giggle switch appeals to some, and they would gladly buy one. I'm not sure I would, given the opportunity, but to each their own. I support people's right to own F/A weapons (and the repeal of the NFA), even if I wouldn't likely take advantage of it (which I would argue is another difference between US and UK citizens; the UK citizens seem too often to think only their choice in weapons is the appropriate one).

The full auto range shoots they have in the states look like a lot of fun with some serious hardware on show and being shot.
I no sure but I think we can have full auto weapons in Sweden I'm not sure what that entails.
AR type semi auto rifles have been banned for hunting. I'm assuming they can still be possessed for use on the range. Semi autos can still be used for hunting.
Talking to members of the hunting team not one was keen to see AR type rifles in the hunting field. Perhaps it's because the are in the main a group of men of a certain age. I can see them being more to the taste of the younger generation of hunters. They will have to now satisfy themselves with a bolt action rifle dressed like a AR clone.

 

[MarinePMI]

The full auto range shoots they have in the states look like a lot of fun with some serious hardware on show and being shot.
I no sure but I think we can have full auto weapons in Sweden I'm not sure what that entails.
AR type semi auto rifles have been banned for hunting. I'm assuming they can still be possessed for use on the range. Semi autos can still be used for hunting.
Talking to members of the hunting team not one was keen to see AR type rifles in the hunting field. Perhaps it's because the are in the main a group of men of a certain age. I can see them being more to the taste of the younger generation of hunters. They will have to now satisfy themselves with a bolt action rifle dressed like a AR clone.

To some extent it is the same here, with one exception. A lot of veterans like to use them, mostly because it is an action they are comfortable with. Even the larger frame (LR) versions function the same. Heck, I even have a 12ga shotgun version of an AR.

With them being chambered in the same cartridges as many bolt short actions, it just makes sense to use what you're most comfortable/familiar with. <shrug> It's a great platform for use when culling pigs or predators, where a quick second shot may be needed for additional animals that need to be put down (300BO and 6.5 Grendel work very well for culling feral pigs). They're just another tool in the toolbox.

 

[KimE]

The full auto range shoots they have in the states look like a lot of fun with some serious hardware on show and being shot.
I no sure but I think we can have full auto weapons in Sweden I'm not sure what that entails.
AR type semi auto rifles have been banned for hunting. I'm assuming they can still be possessed for use on the range. Semi autos can still be used for hunting.
Talking to members of the hunting team not one was keen to see AR type rifles in the hunting field. Perhaps it's because the are in the main a group of men of a certain age. I can see them being more to the taste of the younger generation of hunters. They will have to now satisfy themselves with a bolt action rifle dressed like a AR clone.

AR semi auto rifles with a 5 round mag are allowed for hunting in Sweden now. Yes you can have full auto competition weapons but you need to have a (need, a competition to partcipate in) before you can get a licence to own a full auto weapon, it means you are a member of a military force or police unit so you are already trained in useing military/police arms.

Black hunting rifle

Diamondback DB15 223 Rem - Diamondback - Vapen - Vildsvin.se

Läs om de nya reglerna efter den 1/8 https://vildsvin.se/news/forordning-om-andring-i-vapenforordningen-ar-nu-publicerad/ Anpassad för att ladda om med all ammunition pga av gassystemets längd, som på DB15 är den stabila mid-length istället

vildsvin.se

 

[Jagare]

I read in the latest copy of,Jakt & Jagare that AR type semi Auto's are banned for jakt and the Government would be paying full price when they are turned in. I only skimmed through the article, will read it thoroughly later. .223 is a class 2 weapon? If I remember correctly. So only good for smaller game.
I visited, Vildsvin.se not long ago as its not that far from me. Interesting shop.
Elmia at the end of May. Can't see there being many AR type semi autos on display this year.

 

[KimE]

Its a proposition no desicion has been taken, but of cause they are not going to sell many rifles with a threat od a ban. Their AR10 style model in 308w are also for sale.

 

[timbrayford]

As one would likely expect after this appalling tragedy Sweden is to review firearm legislation which will no doubt place stricter controls on firearms ownership. Much of this could have been predicted especially when politicians must be seen to be doing something…
Sweden plans tighter gun laws after deadly school shooting Sweden plans tighter gun laws after Orebro school shooting
I note from the article that semi-auto rifles are still legal in Sweden and surprisingly in some cases fully automatic ownership is permitted. As is the tradition by now “black rifles” i.e, so-called “Assault Rifles” e.g. M16s etc. are being used as an example - much like in the USA where for some time similar shootings have been carried out with these (and other) firearms.
As a long-time owner of an assortment of firearms and a defender of the right to own them I still, in all honesty, cannot see how ownership of a semi-auto centrefire rifle is justified or in truth a defendable position to take - I may be missing something but I know not what. What is the SD membership’s view?

With all due respect I believe you've missed the point. Possession of any particular class of firearm makes not a jot of different to whether you are fit to be entrusted with one, a point also wasted on politicians and firearms administrators in the UK