THE BOW HUNTER

[deerly departed]

Well done on the Whitetail....well you raise them here

I don't find it amusing, start a partition and I will follow the progress

Petition perhaps

 

[Smellydog]

Are you an archer?

Yes.

 

[Tim.243]

As a GMB archer, I am sorry to say you are talking out of your bottom
A rifle - for the average man in the street is EASY.
If Tracking Point was still in business - a total ar5e could take sniper style shots 1st time out
A bowman on the other hand is a 1 in 10 person.... maybe even more.
You definitely have to have that magic element to make it as a bowman.
It doesnt matter what you spend on your kit, if you dont have that apptitude, you will be wasting your time.
Bows REALLY seperate those who can and those that cant.
As for reloading.... you are wrong there too.
The bow - especially modern bows - and especially compounds are truly awesome tools and precision in skilled hands. It would stop idiots shooting as they couldnt hit a barn door let alone a big red or even dangerous game if you have big enough plums.

You can have your opinion as I but the facts are "which most seem to be complaining about" they can't be used in the UK, use them overseas by all means, however your skills maybe honed on delivering a shot but you targets are static with nothing to contend with like wind a dozen pairs of eyes
clear line of shot distance also light conditions so you can't measure your UK bow usage to UK deer quarry despite 6 species being available.
As for this part
A rifle - for the average man in the street is EASY
If it is Easy why is there an all year season on male deer in Scotland, new night shooting licences, out of season licences and we still have far too many deer.
If it was such a affective tool then it would be in use daily and the numbers of deer would be at a much lower level,
Myself and many others shoot deer/foxes in the last hour of light also beyond.

Your arguments are based on what you could do, not on what you actually do, which is shoot deer under the conditions of you FAC.

 

[deerly departed]

You can have your opinion as I but the facts are "which most seem to be complaining about" they can't be used in the UK, use them overseas by all means, however your skills maybe honed on delivering a shot but you targets are static with nothing to contend with like wind a dozen pairs of eyes
clear line of shot distance also light conditions so you can't measure your UK bow usage to UK deer quarry despite 6 species being available.
As for this part
A rifle - for the average man in the street is EASY
If it is Easy why is there an all year season on male deer in Scotland, new night shooting licences, out of season licences and we still have far too many deer.
If it was such a affective tool then it would be in use daily and the numbers of deer would be at a much lower level,
Myself and many others shoot deer/foxes in the last hour of light also beyond.

Your arguments are based on what you could do, not on what you actually do, which is shoot deer under the conditions of you FAC.

So if one could shoot deer in the UK, we would use exactly the techniques used overseas that take into account all of the factors you just detail.
Typically, archers take shots at static quarry but running game and flighting avians are also very possible.... you tube it.

A bow is not an FAC weapon?
I would hunt with a bow and would use the protocols relevant for the country.
As a nation, we shot humans with great effect - ask the French......

I shot a lot of practice shots before I ever shot at a pulse.

The bow is a very effective tool in the right hands. Its just the number of peoplewith the right skill set will be far less than a rifleman.

A bow is far more difficult to shoot than any rifle. Would be interested to know why you think a novice bowman could V Bull a 100 yard target compared to a novice rifleman?

 

[Mike1979]

So if one could shoot deer in the UK, we would use exactly the techniques used overseas that take into account all of the factors you just detail.
Typically, archers take shots at static quarry but running game and flighting avians are also very possible.... you tube it.

A bow is not an FAC weapon?
I would hunt with a bow and would use the protocols relevant for the country.
As a nation, we shot humans with great effect - ask the French......

I shot a lot of practice shots before I ever shot at a pulse.

The bow is a very effective tool in the right hands. Its just the number of peoplewith the right skill set will be far less than a rifleman.

A bow is far more difficult to shoot than any rifle. Would be interested to know why you think a novice bowman could V Bull a 100 yard target compared to a novice rifleman?

You make the perfect point about a bow in the right hands. Way less margin for error with a bow then a rifle and a lot more skill involved.

 

[Tim.243]

So if one could shoot deer in the UK, we would use exactly the techniques used overseas that take into account all of the factors you just detail.
Typically, archers take shots at static quarry but running game and flighting avians are also very possible.... you tube it.

A bow is not an FAC weapon?
I would hunt with a bow and would use the protocols relevant for the country.
As a nation, we shot humans with great effect - ask the French......

I shot a lot of practice shots before I ever shot at a pulse.

The bow is a very effective tool in the right hands. Its just the number of peoplewith the right skill set will be far less than a rifleman.

A bow is far more difficult to shoot than any rifle. Would be interested to know why you think a novice bowman could V Bull a 100 yard target compared to a novice rifleman?

I looked on my FAC (deer/foxes/vermin) no mention of FAC Weapon
As I pointed out "we would" is a phrase you BOW users use, CWD laying down and alert in a field at 200 yds you have NO chance to get in any sort of shootable distance with you BOW, a dozen Fallow standing the same distance will be the same result.
I am sure you are very good with it but the BOW will fall short in effective deer management.
I noted you swerved the last light distance clear path parts.
This muntjac (30 yds) I am sure you would have managed but not the Fallow best part of 140.

 

[Smellydog]

Stop arguing with the bigot fool. He is a trol.
You can't drive a nail in a knot, it just simply won't have it, or in this instance, get it

 

[deerly departed]

You make the perfect point about a bow in the right hands. Way less margin for error with a bow then a rifle and a lot more skill involved.

In terms of overshoot or just plain missing...

 

[Klenchblaize]

There is no justification for this thread to end badly or as I suspect get locked by a Mod' if we can accept there are differences of opinion. This should allow for the belief that to successfully hunt any critter with a bow is a significant achievement that requires skill, patience and cunning. Everything that informs and applies to the pursuit of deer with a rifle.

So IMHO nothing to dislike or justify depriving a fellow sportsman from engaging with. That UK Law does not permit the use of a bow on live quarry is a given but bowhunters are free to travel abroad for their fix; practice under feild conditions in the UK and hope that in some future life they may have the chance to take a Lowland roe buck under an early April sun with a longbow!

K

 

[paul o']

Typical non free thinking narrow minded British I know best attitude that I personally find sickening and why I loath the British mindset.

Its simple just **** OFF THEN!

 

[Smellydog]

Its simple just **** OFF THEN!

Thanks, someone that also agrees with me

 

[deerly departed]

I looked on my FAC (deer/foxes/vermin) no mention of FAC Weapon
As I pointed out "we would" is a phrase you BOW users use, CWD laying down and alert in a field at 200 yds you have NO chance to get in any sort of shootable distance with you BOW, a dozen Fallow standing the same distance will be the same result.
I am sure you are very good with it but the BOW will fall short in effective deer management.
I noted you swerved the last light distance clear path parts.
This muntjac (30 yds) I am sure you would have managed but not the Fallow best part of 140.

With respect, the use of a bow, its range and stslking skills are more limited than a rifke JUST in the same way a Co2 or a sub 12 or FAC air or a rim fire or centre fire have their limitations.

If I had a deer at 200 yards in the UK, I might not take the shot anyway.

Deer management, hmmm. I dont think it would be viewed in the same way as it is now. Not to mention that the UK was mostly forested unlike today. Houses, transport, ships were made of it. So vast open fields were probably not so much of an issue either. But then, as we only actually have mative species, a lot of what you mention as quarry may not have been present, and if they were, they would have bern in royal parks.

Earlier hunting would also have been done with horse, hounds and retainers as most game was considered the reserve of Royals and lords.

As for no chance, sorry but tosh again. How do you think the plains indians got close to buffallo and using bows considerably less powerful than modern recurves and especially compounds.

You adapt your style and techniques. Choose pinch points. Herd into dead ends, provide food when its scarce or bait stations. Use your imagination. Plus the bow was not the only option. Most brits were required to practice the bow by law so your pool of able archers would have been a significant percentage compared to today.

Low light is low light. Doesnt mean someone cant see better than you when the light is low. What do you think they would make of digi and thermal if you could travel back 80 yrs let alone decades.

The bow does not have the range of a rifle. Who is arguing that point exactly? Your ability to plant it on the vital still varies today. Same rifle and ammo and you might get very different grouping simply down to skill. Its just a bow requires a shed load more. The medival war bows held 100 to 120lb on the finger. Your trigger is in grams.
Their skeletons were deformed because they practised and were skilled

Over the millenia, I would wager the bow has greened more animals than the rifle. Even more simple stuff like puff tubes and boomerangs

 

[paul o']

Can I ask the last time you had an arrow sticking out of your guts and was it painless ?
Bow hunting belongs in the stone age along with seal clubbing and whaling for corsets and oil to light a lamp.

 

[deerly departed]

Can I ask the last time you had an arrow sticking out of your guts and was it painless ?
Bow hunting belongs in the stone age along with seal clubbing and whaling for corsets and oil to light a lamp.

Can I ask if it was painless when a rifleman gut shoots, spine shots or blows the jaw off a deer.
Bearing in mind that MOST deer shots today are probably no more than 80 to 100 yds max.

Bow hunting was in the stone age. Plus it advanced with each age thereafter to the present day.

Simply put, the modern bows are extremely capable. Unlike your ability to accept what is a fact.

The inuit use clubs as rifles are still releatively recent to their culture. Bear in mind that almost EVERYTHING they had came from the nature around them. No popping to the shops or Amazon for a 30-06.

Whaling in its day was a similar situation but it served the world. I dont agree with it now BECAUSE pretty much everything it produced has alternative options nowadays. Even using whale **** is illegal (cosmetics)......

Whilst I love looking at a lady in a corset, again, mobydick is no longer the go to source as is lamp oil.

Your stirring the pot icon duly noted

 

[paul o']

No **** poor shot is painless .
I advocate practice to the point its easy to make a painless shot! no thats the wrong word ! And ethical shot would be a better choice. anything entering at speed is painful.
The best way to take a life is without your query knowing about it or thats what we tell ourselves.
Any mug can take a bad shot and blame it on what ever they wish to use to cover up there lack of skill.
Have you asked your flo to bring your dislike of the rules of the Land! And why it is banned in the UK.
Have you sent a request to bring back Bowhunting to your MP pointing out your loathing of the British mindset .
no thought not .
I do agree there are some poor shots i'v had the misfortune to witness them.
I've been out with skilful 1st nation bow hunters in the USA and I've seen them needing Fenton to find a bleeding out Animal from a 50yr shot chasing it 150yrds or more.
Nope give me 150gr anyday? I know ill not need to chace it while its pumping out .
This has always been a clash point and I know what tick I'd put in the box if asked

 

[Tim.243]

With respect, the use of a bow, its range and stslking skills are more limited than a rifke JUST in the same way a Co2 or a sub 12 or FAC air or a rim fire or centre fire have their limitations.

If I had a deer at 200 yards in the UK, I might not take the shot anyway.

Deer management, hmmm. I dont think it would be viewed in the same way as it is now. Not to mention that the UK was mostly forested unlike today. Houses, transport, ships were made of it. So vast open fields were probably not so much of an issue either. But then, as we only actually have mative species, a lot of what you mention as quarry may not have been present, and if they were, they would have bern in royal parks.

Earlier hunting would also have been done with horse, hounds and retainers as most game was considered the reserve of Royals and lords.

As for no chance, sorry but tosh again. How do you think the plains indians got close to buffallo and using bows considerably less powerful than modern recurves and especially compounds.

You adapt your style and techniques. Choose pinch points. Herd into dead ends, provide food when its scarce or bait stations. Use your imagination. Plus the bow was not the only option. Most brits were required to practice the bow by law so your pool of able archers would have been a significant percentage compared to today.

Low light is low light. Doesnt mean someone cant see better than you when the light is low. What do you think they would make of digi and thermal if you could travel back 80 yrs let alone decades.

The bow does not have the range of a rifle. Who is arguing that point exactly? Your ability to plant it on the vital still varies today. Same rifle and ammo and you might get very different grouping simply down to skill. Its just a bow requires a shed load more. The medival war bows held 100 to 120lb on the finger. Your trigger is in grams.
Their skeletons were deformed because they practised and were skilled

Over the millenia, I would wager the bow has greened more animals than the rifle. Even more simple stuff like puff tubes and boomerangs

Very nice but they still won't let you have one....

Re the US they hunted Buffalo and all but wiped them out, now they have a tag system and lots of seasons just to get a couple in the freezer

 

[Deerhunter22]

Petition perhaps

I had going to correct him but felt I was already talking to a brick wall

 

[deerly departed]

Very nice but they still won't let you have one....

Re the US they hunted Buffalo and all but wiped them out, now they have a tag system and lots of seasons just to get a couple in the freezer

I never said they would. Nor is it worth the fight even if the shooting community could pull and focus its collective weight because we are absolutly shite at it.

The US "immigrants" did almost wipe out buffs wheras the indigineous and true americans worked with it. Nothing but the moo was wasted.

Then buffallo bill and the like dropped buffs by the hundreds, thousands and probably millions till the nearly disappeared. Some say trillions. They all say so... finest kind...

 

[Deerhunter22]

You can have your opinion as I but the facts are "which most seem to be complaining about" they can't be used in the UK, use them overseas by all means, however your skills maybe honed on delivering a shot but you targets are static with nothing to contend with like wind a dozen pairs of eyes
clear line of shot distance also light conditions so you can't measure your UK bow usage to UK deer quarry despite 6 species being available.
As for this part
A rifle - for the average man in the street is EASY
If it is Easy why is there an all year season on male deer in Scotland, new night shooting licences, out of season licences and we still have far too many deer.
If it was such a affective tool then it would be in use daily and the numbers of deer would be at a much lower level,
Myself and many others shoot deer/foxes in the last hour of light also beyond.

Your arguments are based on what you could do, not on what you actually do, which is shoot deer under the conditions of you FAC.

Go do some research on the portion of land available to be shot and what does get shot, then do some math on amount of shooters in highly dense deer populated areas and there ability to harvest animals I.E time ratio per beast.

You take a rifle, rest it level on a bench affix a scope to it bore sight it to a target 100yrds away, out the crosshairs on said sight and adjust till it’s on point so yes it is easy. It’s what I found laughable with the Charlie Kirk thing when they was all saying nobody could take that shot at 200yrds. If you have a zeroed 100yrd rifle and adjust an inch and hold over a half inch for wind I’d say you’d be on point 9/10 times.

There is a lot of land you wouldn’t shoot with a rifle but could with a bow and thst agains a fact.

 

[Deerhunter22]

So if one could shoot deer in the UK, we would use exactly the techniques used overseas that take into account all of the factors you just detail.
Typically, archers take shots at static quarry but running game and flighting avians are also very possible.... you tube it.

A bow is not an FAC weapon?
I would hunt with a bow and would use the protocols relevant for the country.
As a nation, we shot humans with great effect - ask the French......

I shot a lot of practice shots before I ever shot at a pulse.

The bow is a very effective tool in the right hands. Its just the number of peoplewith the right skill set will be far less than a rifleman.

A bow is far more difficult to shoot than any rifle. Would be interested to know why you think a novice bowman could V Bull a 100 yard target compared to a novice rifleman?

I’ve spent 3yrs learning how to tune and adjust and make right a compound bow and practice to get out to 70yrds with good groups. It takes alot of practice and it’s a fk tonne easier to zero a rifle and be accurate at 100yrds.