The future is electric
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.Or calm....
Haha,
it just gets worse, suicide seems the only optionIn 10-15 years time, if you're still driving, you'll almost certainly be driving an electric car and it will probably have been made in China 
Cheers
Bruce
Cheers
Bruce
And transported to the UK on either a dirty great big oil burner, or a yacht skippered by St Greta's followers, I'm guessing the former.In 10-15 years time, if you're still driving, you'll almost certainly be driving an electric car and it will probably have been made in China
Cheers
Bruce
That's how oil burning cars made in China, Korea, Japan and other places in South East Asia already get here, so that's two wrongs being reduced to one if the oil burning ship is carrying electric cars
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Bruce
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Bruce
Aye, true enough Bruce, but whilst we have turned off our coal fired power stations, they keep on building them to keep up with the demand of their manufacturing industriesThat's how oil burning cars made in China, Korea, Japan and other places in South East Asia already get here, so that's two wrongs being reduced to one if the oil burning ship is carrying electric cars
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Bruce
There again, we aren't making much stuff these days, so I suppose it's swings and roundabouts
ELectric cars:
Zero impact on catastrophic human over-population.
Zero impact on carbon emissions.
Zero impact on heavy metal pollution - in fact it, makes it worse.
Zero impact habitat destruction
Zero impact on shrinking bio-diversity.
Zero impact on the rate of species extinction.
Zero impact on deep water oceanic de-salination.
Zero impact on deforestation.
Zero impact on diminishing sources of fresh water.
Zero impact on the vanishing supply of arable land to feed the human population.
But China gets richer and advances it's plan to rule the world.
Yep, that's the answer.
Zero impact on catastrophic human over-population.
Zero impact on carbon emissions.
Zero impact on heavy metal pollution - in fact it, makes it worse.
Zero impact habitat destruction
Zero impact on shrinking bio-diversity.
Zero impact on the rate of species extinction.
Zero impact on deep water oceanic de-salination.
Zero impact on deforestation.
Zero impact on diminishing sources of fresh water.
Zero impact on the vanishing supply of arable land to feed the human population.
But China gets richer and advances it's plan to rule the world.
Yep, that's the answer.
Oly
Well-Known Member
I bought a used electric car during covid for £4k, made in Sunderland. April to Oct its charged entirely from solar panels, diy installed. The panels also charge my domestic batteries, also diy installed, that also act as a fuel store for the car and house when the sun isn't shining.
Its the most refined car I've owned or driven, everything else just sounds wheezy and noisy in comparison.
Its the most refined car I've owned or driven, everything else just sounds wheezy and noisy in comparison.
saddler
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They are great IF you get all the numbers to add up. The people I know who have used them have been very positive.
The Nissan for example. Never owned/driven one....but I hear that as will all presently made electric cars, the battery life is an issue. After so many years, they need replacing...THAT becomes a costly day out.
Hopefully technology WILL catch up and the battery units will become lighter/cheaper/longer lasting. The batteries need to have a better range too...I used to drive from my place to Bisley on a tank of petrol without stopping to refill. (Fiat 1.2)
Maybe one day the Hydrogen cell motor will take the place of the electric motor. Who knows what else is on the drawing board?
Maybe the oil firms will start to finally give light of day to some of the patents that they bought out back when they had no other real competition...
Aside from fuel developments, they need to press on with the driverless models.
I overtook one on the autobahn in that there Germany once....it was flanked by cars on all sides keeping it under very close scrutiny.
Was great to see. Would have taken photos but no camera to hand back then, mobile phones were not as popular either so I never had one.
Wonder what them pics would have been worth when I got home? That was Dec 1996...
Isn't nett zero the goal
You may be right in all your statements, but having zero impact on all those things is better than the negative impact that ICE vehicles have on them
BTW, your middle name isn't luddite is it?
Cheers
Bruce
2Ll’s
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They already do rule the world
Global adoption of mass battery power transport will have zero impact on the things that matter, make some of them worse, and add more negative impacts of it own that we don't have currently.Isn't nett zero the goal
You may be right in all your statements, but having zero impact on all those things is better than the negative impact that ICE vehicles have on them
BTW, your middle name isn't luddite is it?
Cheers
Bruce
And my middle name is Thomas Malthus. He is being proved right but as usual everyone will jeer until it's too late, though it probably is already.
If you frame the problem of climate change as a question of how the planet can be husbanded so it can continue, at least temporarily, to support an expanding human population as its primary function, then yes, it probably is solvable. But if you approach it as a matter of conserving the planet as a whole with all life given equal status to man, then the battle is already lost.
sikamalc
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These electric cars are a bit of a joke to me.
I have two friends who bought a Teslar each. One packed up a few months back. You cant tow them. He had to wait for a low loader to come and pick it up and take it away. I saw on social media a few days ago a similar vehicle had run out of juice at the entrance to a multi storey car park. Blocked the whole place for 3 hours before help arrived to load it on a lorry. I bet the people stuck in there were really impressed.
I don't own a electric car, most likely never will. It would be impossible to undertake the miles that I do using one. I would never get there. Most of the time I would be stuck trying to charge it for hours. Someone told me that it costs about £45 each time to charge one, plus the fittings at the charge points are not generic.
I have also had the manager for a well known car company stalking with me sometime back. He had a managerial role in the electric car dept. The batteries only last 10 years. However having had another client only last week, who works for Toyota, he told me that the electric van they use lasted less than 5 years, and is a waste of time. Plus the amount of minerals needed to make batteries is mostly found in the Congo and Russia. Great!! And there is not enough to give everyone an electric car worldwide.
Whilst I see the issue with pollution in our major towns and cities, and can see the reason for having electric vehicles in such places. I really cannot see how the whole of the UK, and the rest of the world is going to manage to go fully electric. Hydrogen seems a better solution, but that's yet to make its mark in a big way.
I shall stick to my diesel truck. At least I can get to the highlands on a good run in about 12 hours. If it was electric it would take me about 2 days
I have two friends who bought a Teslar each. One packed up a few months back. You cant tow them. He had to wait for a low loader to come and pick it up and take it away. I saw on social media a few days ago a similar vehicle had run out of juice at the entrance to a multi storey car park. Blocked the whole place for 3 hours before help arrived to load it on a lorry. I bet the people stuck in there were really impressed.
I don't own a electric car, most likely never will. It would be impossible to undertake the miles that I do using one. I would never get there. Most of the time I would be stuck trying to charge it for hours. Someone told me that it costs about £45 each time to charge one, plus the fittings at the charge points are not generic.
I have also had the manager for a well known car company stalking with me sometime back. He had a managerial role in the electric car dept. The batteries only last 10 years. However having had another client only last week, who works for Toyota, he told me that the electric van they use lasted less than 5 years, and is a waste of time. Plus the amount of minerals needed to make batteries is mostly found in the Congo and Russia. Great!! And there is not enough to give everyone an electric car worldwide.
Whilst I see the issue with pollution in our major towns and cities, and can see the reason for having electric vehicles in such places. I really cannot see how the whole of the UK, and the rest of the world is going to manage to go fully electric. Hydrogen seems a better solution, but that's yet to make its mark in a big way.
I shall stick to my diesel truck. At least I can get to the highlands on a good run in about 12 hours. If it was electric it would take me about 2 days
Oly
Well-Known Member
Not quite true...batteries do slowly degrade over time. Ours is 7yrs old has 45k on and still has 92% state of health (factory is 98%) with no issues.
Plus you don't replace the whole battery. They are made up of thousands of cells. So mechanics simply plug in, find the bad one or two cells and replace those. Simples.
Plus the vas amount of £ you've saved on fuel and servicing (which btw is simply a pollen filter!) more than pays for it IF it happens.
There's are quite a number of Nissan EV taxis that have been running fine for 10 years now with 400k on the clock.
There's so many myths out there, I'd recommend doing your homework first before slating the technology.
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Wapinschaw
Well-Known Member
These electric cars are a bit of a joke to me.
I have two friends who bought a Teslar each. One packed up a few months back. You cant tow them. He had to wait for a low loader to come and pick it up and take it away. I saw on social media a few days ago a similar vehicle had run out of juice at the entrance to a multi storey car park. Blocked the whole place for 3 hours before help arrived to load it on a lorry. I bet the people stuck in there were really impressed.
I don't own a electric car, most likely never will. It would be impossible to undertake the miles that I do using one. I would never get there. Most of the time I would be stuck trying to charge it for hours. Someone told me that it costs about £45 each time to charge one, plus the fittings at the charge points are not generic.
I have also had the manager for a well known car company stalking with me sometime back. He had a managerial role in the electric car dept. The batteries only last 10 years. However having had another client only last week, who works for Toyota, he told me that the electric van they use lasted less than 5 years, and is a waste of time. Plus the amount of minerals needed to make batteries is mostly found in the Congo and Russia. Great!! And there is not enough to give everyone an electric car worldwide.
Whilst I see the issue with pollution in our major towns and cities, and can see the reason for having electric vehicles in such places. I really cannot see how the whole of the UK, and the rest of the world is going to manage to go fully electric. Hydrogen seems a better solution, but that's yet to make its mark in a big way.
I shall stick to my diesel truck. At least I can get to the highlands on a good run in about 12 hours. If it was electric it would take me about 2 days
Indeed. I agree that electric vehicles have their place, but their place is not everywhere.
