The most depressing thread ever.
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I think you'd be in for a shock if you knew the dirty secrets of everyone who has ever been on a peg next to you
WH308
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Let’s look at this from the other side of the coin….
I have no previous convictions, indeed the only interactions I have with the police is my FAC and once as a witness to a crash. Therefore I am deemed suitable to hold shotguns and firearms.
If I did either of the things the OP did, my fitness to possess would be questioned and the guns removed. If my previous good character counts for nothing in that case, then the OP’s previous discretions should hold equal weight and consequence.
I have no previous convictions, indeed the only interactions I have with the police is my FAC and once as a witness to a crash. Therefore I am deemed suitable to hold shotguns and firearms.
If I did either of the things the OP did, my fitness to possess would be questioned and the guns removed. If my previous good character counts for nothing in that case, then the OP’s previous discretions should hold equal weight and consequence.
Well said
sikamalc
Administrator
Ok this thread seems to have caused a wide chasm between some members. Normally, believe it or not, i try to remain impartial 
We all did things in our youth that may come back to haunt us later in life. Not many humans on this planet have a completely clean slate, in fact i doubt there is one. However when it comes to owning firearms in this country it requires us all to be up front and truthful.
If a young man of the OP age has convictions for being Drunk in charge of a motor vehicle or drug using whilst in charge of a vehicle he or she is NOT being responsible. In fact by my book it is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.
There is no getting away from the fact that these laws have been in place for many a year, and are brought to the public attention time and again on the media. Now if someone thinks that this is right, to go out and drive a vehicle under the influence, possibly cause an accident in which another innocent victim dies, or is severely hurt, I think you need to ask yourself would you then claim that this person is responsible enough to own firearms?
I would hope that none of us have the horror of finding out that your wife, daughter, son, brother sister, who ever in your family, is involved with anyone driving under the influence. Some on here no doubt have been in that position, and my heart felt condolences goes out to all of them.
Whether an applicant for an FAC has past or fairly recent convictions for such outright irresponsible actions, I would not want to see anyone with such convictions with a firearm.
And to add, the police protect all of us, they are always coming in for some abuse at times. And yet they are the first you turn to when you need help. Policemen and women are human like everyone else. Occasionally there is a wrong en. But that doe not mean you go around tarring everyone with the same brush, so to speak. Just like some stalkers are wrong ones to mix with. Mother nature didnt make a perfect human, never will.
Do I agree that this gentleman is refused an FAC. My answer is yes, based on what I have read. I am sure there are plenty of other hobbies he and many others can find to pass the time with.
We all did things in our youth that may come back to haunt us later in life. Not many humans on this planet have a completely clean slate, in fact i doubt there is one. However when it comes to owning firearms in this country it requires us all to be up front and truthful.
If a young man of the OP age has convictions for being Drunk in charge of a motor vehicle or drug using whilst in charge of a vehicle he or she is NOT being responsible. In fact by my book it is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.
There is no getting away from the fact that these laws have been in place for many a year, and are brought to the public attention time and again on the media. Now if someone thinks that this is right, to go out and drive a vehicle under the influence, possibly cause an accident in which another innocent victim dies, or is severely hurt, I think you need to ask yourself would you then claim that this person is responsible enough to own firearms?
I would hope that none of us have the horror of finding out that your wife, daughter, son, brother sister, who ever in your family, is involved with anyone driving under the influence. Some on here no doubt have been in that position, and my heart felt condolences goes out to all of them.
Whether an applicant for an FAC has past or fairly recent convictions for such outright irresponsible actions, I would not want to see anyone with such convictions with a firearm.
And to add, the police protect all of us, they are always coming in for some abuse at times. And yet they are the first you turn to when you need help. Policemen and women are human like everyone else. Occasionally there is a wrong en. But that doe not mean you go around tarring everyone with the same brush, so to speak. Just like some stalkers are wrong ones to mix with. Mother nature didnt make a perfect human, never will.
Do I agree that this gentleman is refused an FAC. My answer is yes, based on what I have read. I am sure there are plenty of other hobbies he and many others can find to pass the time with.
Im also of the thought that, currently really not a good idea to apply but after some years people change and its worth giving it a go
what I do find funny is some, not all, will have a drink while on a driven day etc and think nothing of it...in my mind thats also not sensible behaviour. I wouldnt even drink the night before if im due out with a shotgun/firearm
what I do find funny is some, not all, will have a drink while on a driven day etc and think nothing of it...in my mind thats also not sensible behaviour. I wouldnt even drink the night before if im due out with a shotgun/firearm
sikamalc
Administrator
Quite right. Many driven shoots are more social events than shooting at times. I know of several people who lost their driving licence and SG cert, after leaving the shoot, or the pub afterwards.
Deer stalking I find is not quite the same, and is a one on one, or on your own. Even so, in may parts, especially Scotland one needs to be aware that drinking a few drams in the larder after a day on the hill, could get you a fine, loss of driving licence and FAC.
So be responsible.
Stalker62
Well-Known Member
Having worked for the Met for over 30 years (two stints in Internal Affairs), believe me when I say I do not have a prescription for "Rose coloured (sic) glasses".
What I do have is a sense of proportion. There are some bad Police Officers. There are some very bad Police Officers. I know this. Everyone knows this.
It is my experience that most are decent, hardworking and honest. I do not damn them. I damn the dishonest criminals in the ranks.
So, let us get onto specifics.
You said, "There are many serving police officers that have worse records than this guys."
I will repeat my question to you. How many? Who are they? Where are they? What is being done to root them out?
Which serving Police Officer do you know, has a conviction for both Drink and Drug driving?
It is a bold claim. It may even be true. So, who is it?
If you have real examples then knock yourself out and post about them, it will make you feel better.
However, if it is just another "Police bashing" exercise then I feel for you.
Thanks to a short PM dialogue you and I have had, I have some understanding of your fantastic tale, which may go some way to explaining your position in regards to how you feel about the Police. Fair enough - just acknowledge that not all of them are bad.
Why, I would wager that even some of your friends are Police Officers...
NB
For the avoidance of confusion and to show equality, please feel free to remove the word "Police" and insert any (any) other profession/trade/job/calling.
One thing no one mentions is the fact that there is no doubt in my mind that having a FL actually prevents you from stupid & reckless behaviour. The thought of having my FL chainsaw or tractor taken from me, would prevent me from doing my job, they are tools of work. If you are a nurse or teacher, you would lose your job, your mortgage etc for one small error of judgement. There have been many times I would have like to give someone a wack in the head, the last time before Christmas a man was beating a woman in the street in broad daylight. but I managed to threaten him enough for him to make off. I would have liked to knock his head off, but.... the consequences!
AH!, But it would have been the fact that you would have "Liked" to have knocked his block off that would have got you spanked.
Stalker62
Well-Known Member
I know that North of the border the local Sheriffs were in the habit of pulling over 'muddy' 4x4s on a shoot day.
Plenty lost their driving licences as a result.
Stalker62
Well-Known Member
If you had done that on my "Manor", you would have found yourself in receipt of a Commendation...
Franchi Matt
Well-Known Member
Agreed, it does
however as in the OPs case stupid and reckless behaviour was recently recorded.And if he had fallen down, & knocked his head? I'm actually quite a big guy, but yes discretionary policing used to be a wonderful thing.
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