The most depressing thread ever.

[alberta boy]

It's pretty standard here that convictions for impaired driving will make it difficult to get a firearms licence . From what I've seen , it can be up to 10 years before you will be considered eligible . By then , you've either straightened your self out or re-offended and restarted the ineligible period . Impaired driving causing death is another story , your life is over . I don't have a problem with giving someone a second chance , as long as they earn it . Someone who has multiple recent convictions has a bit of growing up to do , when they do , however , I can't see any reason not to grant them a licence . YMMV .

AB

 

[Stalker62]

YMMV .

YMMV stands for “your mileage may vary” and is based on the small print included in some automobile ads at the time. ... The Cambridge Dictionary contains on those platforms, YMMV has largely morphed into meaning that “you understand people may have a different opinion or experience than you.”



WIHTGT!





(Well I had to Google that)

 

[John Gryphon]

has largely morphed into meaning that “you understand people may have a different opinion or experience than you.”

Yes my mate liked meeting the Tranny...I didnt lol.

 

[delta wolf]

There are many serving police officers that have worse records than this guys. My advice to him was speak to his firearms department and get it first hand instead of from the judgemental lot on here.

I look forward to seeing your evidence of those with drink and drug driving offences that became police officers within a few years of the offences.
If you have it, fair play.
If not your just another of the usual suspects using an unrelated thread to air your narrow minded opinions of the police.

 

[TH4]

I am sure a person of your superior intellect has the power to Google it without me having to explain the process. Not as narrow minded as people like you who refuse to acknowledge that not all the officers out there are snow white. If you are able to negotiate a keyboard sufficiently you will find that most did not join after the offence but it was committed while serving.
Look at the GMP firearms officer that flew into such a rage that his puppy had crapped on the carpet that he kicked it nearly to death. Despite being convicted of cruelty he has still returned to firearms duties. An unstable officer that admitted in court to lying to his superiors about his mental health loose with a firearm. Would he have kept his fac if he was a civilian? No chance. No doubt you will find some reason to excuse him but then that just leads me to think you are a copper or an ex copper. No wonder the public is losing faith in the police. I feel sorry for the many good and honest officers out there that suffer a lack of respect and trust from the public because of the bad officers out there. And this will not get better until the service has a proper clean un in its own house and wakes up and smells the coffee

 

[User00033]

On my father’s side of the family, there are several Police officers, past and present. Quick tally up… 8 that I know well, another half dozen not so well but well enough. I’m pretty sure a couple of my one cousin’s kids are cadets and soon to be fully enrolled. We also have Police in the Aussie “extended” family. It’s just the way that things are for them, I guess. It runs in the family. Notably, my father was one of the few exceptions.

I’ll say this… Some of them, I’m glad they are on my side. Couple of really good sorts. Others, it’s kinda of… well… not really sure. Very, very cliquey.

Some of them I dislike intensely, two in particular are complete kunts.

Any of the Police commenting in this thread are welcome to challenge me until they are blue in the face (ha ha). It is what it is. I know where I stand with Police… I don’t exist on their databases and I do everything I can to keep it that way. But I don’t trust Police as far as I could bloody throw ‘em. British, Aussie, American, Kiwi, South African… all the same to me. Looking back over the myriad of experiences with Police, it’s like every good experience has been undermined by a really bad one.

I’ll tell you for farkin’ free that in the late 80s and early 90s I used to go drinking with my Police cousins in the Midlands and they would drive around shitfaced from pub to pub with total impunity, not in the slightest bit concerned about getting pulled over by their mates. Just one big bloody gang is how I saw it, but hey ho that was the way it was and there was fark all I could do about it. I’ve never forgotten that.

Not looking to offend anyone or stir for the sake of it, just stating how I have experienced law enforcement over a long time in lots of different countries.

 

[delta wolf]

I am sure a person of your superior intellect has the power to Google it without me having to explain the process. Not as narrow minded as people like you who refuse to acknowledge that not all the officers out there are snow white. If you are able to negotiate a keyboard sufficiently you will find that most did not join after the offence but it was committed while serving.
Look at the GMP firearms officer that flew into such a rage that his puppy had crapped on the carpet that he kicked it nearly to death. Despite being convicted of cruelty he has still returned to firearms duties. An unstable officer that admitted in court to lying to his superiors about his mental health loose with a firearm. Would he have kept his fac if he was a civilian? No chance. No doubt you will find some reason to excuse him but then that just leads me to think you are a copper or an ex copper. No wonder the public is losing faith in the police. I feel sorry for the many good and honest officers out there that suffer a lack of respect and trust from the public because of the bad officers out there. And this will not get better until the service has a proper clean un in its own house and wakes up and smells the coffee

That's a no you don't have it then. Throwing in smoke and mirrors and cases of a couple of bad apples it's still a no.

 

[TH4]

It's a yes but you are obviously too dim to find it. Next time you go stalking let me know and I will bring a deer to you on a lead so that you don't have to look for one yourself as you are clearly incapable of locating anything yourself. You must have been a detective

 

[old keeper]

If your intention had been to protect the life of another (or yourself) then you are golden.

I know, that sounds glib, it is not meant to be and I applaud your for your restraint.


When I was a sixteen year old, back in 1888, I saw a man assaulting a woman (it was just after last orders) and I was at my girlfriend's gate on the other side of the road.

I ran over and put him on his arse. When I was standing over him, reading him his future I learned a very important lesson about life.

His girlfriend/wife/partner jumped on my back and started to beat the crap out of me...

Yeah. Domestics...

I'm extremely impressed that someone who was 16 in 1888 is still going strong. I thought I was old but you put me to shame! Good on you.

 

[Pellet Pinger]

I can’t see what the discussion on the whys and what for‘s of alleged dodgy coppers has to do with an individuals suitability to own firearms when they have been convicted twice of driving while drunk and drugged in the space of 2 years!

 

[Stalker62]

It's a yes but you are obviously too dim to find it. Next time you go stalking let me know and I will bring a deer to you on a lead so that you don't have to look for one yourself as you are clearly incapable of locating anything yourself. You must have been a detective

You resorting to name-calling does you no credit.

Neither does your slur on Detectives.

Try and argue like a 'sniper' - precision and focused, not like some bloke with a scatter gun - unfocused and inaccurate.

You posts, whilst passionate and may seem to you, to be entirely reasonable, leave me with a contrary impression.



Your serve...

 

[Stalker62]

I'm extremely impressed that someone who was 16 in 1888 is still going strong.

No, the date was for 'comedic' purposes - I just feel that old...

 

[TH4]

You resorting to name-calling does you no credit.

Neither does your slur on Detectives.

Try and argue like a 'sniper' - precision and focused, not like some bloke with a scatter gun - unfocused and inaccurate.

You posts, whilst passionate and may seem to you, to be entirely reasonable, leave me with a contrary impression.



Your serve...

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Sorry I didn't realise I was talking to you. You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with my conversations with others. Maybe that's a police thing. It may surprise you that I really do not care what your impression of me is. I don't normally bother to read your ramblings only the ones quoting me. But hey if you are really that interested in me I will send you a photo for a fiver.

 

[Stalker62]

But hey if you are really that interested in me I will send you a photo for a fiver.

No, you're good.

I have an image of you in my mind...

 

[delta wolf]

It's a yes but you are obviously too dim to find it. Next time you go stalking let me know and I will bring a deer to you on a lead so that you don't have to look for one yourself as you are clearly incapable of locating anything yourself. You must have been a detective

Brilliant, no more needs saying.

 

[TH4]

No, you're good.

I have an image of you in my mind...

Hope it stays there, nowt else seems to

 

[delta wolf]

Hope it stays there, nowt else seems to

Do you come on here just to be unpleasant to people? Really does say a lot about you. I've learned through life never to judge a book by its cover whether that be race, religion, sexuality, job the list goes on. There are nice people and there are ****s in every walk, I will leave you to decide in which you fall. I will just add that I was nearly killed by a drunk driver many years ago so have a low tolerance to that kind of offence. He was a lorry driver and was sent down for it but strangely I don't feel the need to judge every lorry driver by his actions.

 

[NullMac]

one for DUI and one for driving with cannabis.

You belittle the potential consequences of the offences. Neither of these offences are considered acceptable in todays society because of the long list of innocent deaths. The fact that he repeated the same type of offence indicates a lack of awareness/contrition.

The consensus from some of the more informed members is “No, not now, not ever, never”.

Two strikes and you are out? How many chances do you want to give ?

A few responses were fairly censorious too, along the lines of “ we don’t want your sort around here”.

Kind of a summary of the legal position on granting a certificate.

Fine, so a couple of “youthful indiscretions”

Hardly, he wasn't nicking apples

The majority if FAC holders are male, males are overwhelmingly the ones whose behaviour pushes the boundaries, if you’re going to issue a lifetime ban to everyone with a dodgy incident or 2 in their past you’re going to limit FAC holders to a very small and exclusive pool indeed.

Yes.

My opinion, yours may vary, but its a very very strict and unforgiving policy, there should be some level of forgiveness for the occasional lapse from perfection.

Yes, but not repeated offences which demonstrably endanger innocent lives. Demonstrates total unsuitability to posses a firearm. Kind of the point of the whole system.

If you struggle to differentiate "youthful indiscretions" from repeated irresponsible behaviour which threatens innocent third parties perhaps you too are unsuitable to have a FAC.

 

[TH4]

Do you come on here just to be unpleasant to people? Really does say a lot about you. I've learned through life never to judge a book by its cover whether that be race, religion, sexuality, job the list goes on. There are nice people and there are ****s in every walk, I will leave you to decide in which you fall. I will just add that I was nearly killed by a drunk driver many years ago so have a low tolerance to that kind of offence. He was a lorry driver and was sent down for it but strangely I don't feel the need to judge every lorry driver by his actions.

Who is it that is unpleasant? Try looking in the mirror if you can bear the result. I think it was you that originally started attacking me because you didn't agree with my post about police. Just because I have a different opinion to you, you started to get upset. Opinions are just that, we all have different ones. I don't say mine is definitely right and I don't say yours is so chill out and stop getting yourself so wound up. You never know who is reading your rants.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Gosh we have a challenger for the Sharpie and Foxy Tales Perpetual Trophy! Wot fun!
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