This made me feel sick

[Jagare]

I had a quick read of the article. Badger digging in the UK is illegal as we all know, so those men were braking the law. How many on here, have or would love to hunt pigs with dog or knife in Australia? seem to recall a few on here think its great sport. Go on a Monteria in Portugal or Spain to see what happens when the dog pack catch a deer. Many on here hunt regularly there .
Digging badgers in Scandinavia is a legal sport, as is hunting them out in the wheat,oat fields with a moose hound just before the harvest. I wonder how many would turn down an invite if offered.

 

[starr shot]

Very easy solution give all the evidence over to the authorities.Prosecute and convict.

 

[BryanDC]

I had a quick read of the article. Badger digging in the UK is illegal as we all know, so those men were braking the law. How many on here, have or would love to hunt pigs with dog or knife in Australia? seem to recall a few on here think its great sport. Go on a Monteria in Portugal or Spain to see what happens when the dog pack catch a deer. Many on here hunt regularly there .
Digging badgers in Scandinavia is a legal sport, as is hunting them out in the wheat,oat fields with a moose hound just before the harvest. I wonder how many would turn down an invite if offered.

You make some fair points, BUT! these guys are all about the "sport" of making the animals fight rather than using an earth dog to flush a fox / badger or hold it in one place so that it can be dug out and killed humanely. Isn't the essence of a good earth dog that it isn't to hard, so that it won't fight with the fox or badger?

If I go out hunting, I make every effort to do so humanely. I don't deliberately set out to cause suffering to an animal and that's the difference.

 

[Odders]

I had a quick read of the article. Badger digging in the UK is illegal as we all know, so those men were braking the law. How many on here, have or would love to hunt pigs with dog or knife in Australia? seem to recall a few on here think its great sport. Go on a Monteria in Portugal or Spain to see what happens when the dog pack catch a deer. Many on here hunt regularly there .
Digging badgers in Scandinavia is a legal sport, as is hunting them out in the wheat,oat fields with a moose hound just before the harvest. I wonder how many would turn down an invite if offered.

You'll not see me participating in any form of hunting that doesn't bring near instantaneous death to the quarry.
I'm not even interested in ferreting.
I'd rather shoot rats than poison them.

 

[Jagare]

You'll not see me participating in any form of hunting that doesn't bring near instantaneous death to the quarry.
I'm not even interested in ferreting.
I'd rather shoot rats than poison them.

And that i respect you for. Many on here do have double standards though. I'm in no way condoning the men in the video. They are low life poaching scum. I wonder if the video will lead to a conviction, as so many are outraged?

 

[Hayduke]

Has anyone noticed that the likes of the LACS and hunt sabs do not confront the badger diggers or the pikeys because they know they will get battered by them, so just attack the hunters and shooters who are a soft target and will not retaliate. So much for their concerns about animal welfare. Sab the humane badger cull but don't say a word about the Badgers ripped to bits by badger baiters.

That isn't entirely true, I used to know a few hunt sabs (each to their own) and a number of the really committed ones would go undercover and infiltrate dog and badger baiting rings and some of the illegal animal abuse activities.

A police friend once said to me, don't take on gypsies, they have their own rules. So whilst a lot of the antis are skinny veggies who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, there are some very brave ones.

 

[Odders]

That isn't entirely true, I used to know a few hunt sabs (each to their own) and a number of the really committed ones would go undercover and infiltrate dog and badger baiting rings and some of the illegal animal abuse activities.

A police friend once said to me, don't take on gypsies, they have their own rules. So whilst a lot of the antis are skinny veggies who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, there are some very brave ones.

Some of the dog & badger fighting Pikeys are vicious scum.
Don't mess with them.
Call the Old Bill & hope whoever is in charge isn't one of the PC types.
Failing that; call in an artillery strike.

 

[mchughcb]

I had a quick read of the article. Badger digging in the UK is illegal as we all know, so those men were braking the law. How many on here, have or would love to hunt pigs with dog or knife in Australia? seem to recall a few on here think its great sport. Go on a Monteria in Portugal or Spain to see what happens when the dog pack catch a deer. Many on here hunt regularly there .
Digging badgers in Scandinavia is a legal sport, as is hunting them out in the wheat,oat fields with a moose hound just before the harvest. I wonder how many would turn down an invite if offered.

This is a very valid point and will be dismissed by many on here. The sense of what is "right" or "wrong" putting aside the legal aspect of it, is left at the departure gate.

 

[Greymaster]

Distance is a great healer. We abhor this disgusting pastime but hardly make a fuss at all about the many thousands of dogs being tortured and skinned and/or boiled alive because the people doing it think it makes the meat taste better.

And when we should be boycotting Korean and Chinese products, volubly, we don't because they are cheap...

 

[countrryboy]

I had a quick read of the article. Badger digging in the UK is illegal as we all know, so those men were braking the law. How many on here, have or would love to hunt pigs with dog or knife in Australia? seem to recall a few on here think its great sport. Go on a Monteria in Portugal or Spain to see what happens when the dog pack catch a deer. Many on here hunt regularly there .
Digging badgers in Scandinavia is a legal sport, as is hunting them out in the wheat,oat fields with a moose hound just before the harvest. I wonder how many would turn down an invite if offered.

I think badger digging here was only banned in the 70's or so??

I mind as a young boy in the beater bothy an old cumbrain bloke used to sit in the corner in a cloud of lambert & butler smoke and tell stories of them badger digging back in the day.
He reckons many of the cumbrian and dumfries badgers were brought up and released from cheshire so the boys could dig locally.
In those days when most never had a car, they'd walk to a lorry park hitch a lift down south to badger counry with there dog's/gear and then hitch a lift to bring broc's back up the road with them to be released.

Around the same time i remember that macantyre? doing an undercover investigation (which were quite a new thing back then) into it back then (prob 25yr ago) and there was a bloke in ireland running badger digging/baiting holidays.


There is no justifying the baiting aspect of it (not that i'minto the digger or terrier work either) and these folk have absolutley no respect for there dogs or the broc.
Like other have said u'd think anti's and charites should be all over this

 

[Rake Aboot]

Thats not badger baiting ! It`s badger digging. I thought at least on here people would know the difference.

It was a perfectly accepted sport in the UK until recently although carried out properly, not as shown by these thickos.

I suspect the same that condemn hare coursing see this as the same. The government love folk like that. Makes it easier to ban whatever the thick populace don`t like.

I`m sure if our European cousins advertised a perfectly legal sporting holiday to include ground work, the same lot would be up posting " good offer that mate ".

 

[reloader54]

Thats not badger baiting ! It`s badger digging. I thought at least on here people would know the difference.

It was a perfectly accepted sport in the UK until recently although carried out properly, not as shown by these thickos.

I suspect the same that condemn hare coursing see this as the same. The government love folk like that. Makes it easier to ban whatever the thick populace don`t like.

I`m sure if our European cousins advertised a perfectly legal sporting holiday to include ground work, the same lot would be up posting " good offer that mate ".

badger-baiting
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• a sport in which dogs draw a badger from its sett and kill it, illegal in the UK since 1830.
  
  
  
  

 

[jb1]

To me this is niether a sport or hunting. End of.

 

[countrryboy]

badger-baiting
noun
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• a sport in which dogs draw a badger from its sett and kill it, illegal in the UK since 1830.

In the distant past there was actually 2 'sports' aspects to it, digging and drawing, in some cases u'd use different dogs or even breeds to do the different jobs.

The actual baiting itself is a relatively modern thing and often more urban types, u speak to the old timers who legally dug billy they would be just as shocked and appalled as many on here are at the baiting aspect and would turn them in or more likely batter them if they caught folk doing it
Seemingly in the legal days they all ahd there patches of ground with setts (even artifical 1's they dug themselves by hand) and if the caught any other diggers on there 'patch' it was war


The full force of the law shoud be thrown at these scumbags and banned from keepig dogs/pets for life too, but i can never see the point in getting hysterical about it online, the scumbags will carry on doing it wether ur hysterical or not

 

[reloader54]

In the distant past there was actually 2 'sports' aspects to it, digging and drawing, in some cases u'd use different dogs or even breeds to do the different jobs.

The actual baiting itself is a relatively modern thing and often more urban types, u speak to the old timers who legally dug billy they would be just as shocked and appalled as many on here are at the baiting aspect and would turn them in or more likely batter them if they caught folk doing it
Seemingly in the legal days they all ahd there patches of ground with setts (even artifical 1's they dug themselves by hand) and if the caught any other diggers on there 'patch' it was war


The full force of the law shoud be thrown at these scumbags and banned from keepig dogs/pets for life too, but i can never see the point in getting hysterical about it online, the scumbags will carry on doing it wether ur hysterical or not

perhaps a more detailed account here,, Badger-baiting - Wikipedia

with respect to your last comments I agree It will continue as long as there are knuckledraggers still breeding.

but I believe your Idea of "hysterical" may differ from mine.

time has moved on from the Victorian era of cruelty to both animals and humans for the amusement of a certain few. when for instance did you last hear of a travelling freak show complete with midgets,hirsute women, dead Siamese conjoined twins in formaldehyde, ect,,[pig callers accepted as they are mildly amusing and don't as far as I'm aware hurt anyone or anything] however the pseudo ability to increase penis size or look a "hard man" by unnecessary cruelty is alive and well in some quarters it seems.

 

[Rake Aboot]

Baiting involves an enclosure to pit the dogs against the pig.
Digging was legal as I have said above. I am not defending these morons I`m just pointing out how our sports are banned and instantly become "barbaric" and unacceptable.

 

[jimmy milnes]

Surely digging, when it was legal was just that, as with fox, terrier in let dog bottle it up and dig to dispatch.

Surely baiting is an act after its been dug to. Which in my opinion would be making it unnecessarily fight for itself purely for the perverse enjoyment of people.

 

[Sylvanius]

To get back to the original point - yes, unfortunately the media tends to conflate this sort of thing with legitimate hunting, and the only people who will bother to state the difference are ourselves. As individuals, we can have little effect beyond our own personal circles, but this is one place where BASC, CA etc could do us real favours by issuing press releases to this effect in response - along the lines of how their members utterly condemn this sort of thing and are actively keen to catch such people (I know I am!). A general policy or the odd comment is not sufficient. For the very same reasons I think the shooting community should shout and condemn the loudest when someone is genuinely caught involved in raptor persecution. To ensure our way of life is one day stopped entirely, all we have to do is sit quietly and allow only the antis voices to be heard, and criminals like these to be seen.

 

[countrryboy]

Is it really still a big thing nowadays anyway??

Keepers and terrier boys can hardly find decent working dogs now as soo few folk involved with terriers now.
A few decades ago most folk would know someone who dug the odd billy (but never baited them) there's hardly anyone in my town now with ferrets never mind a decent working terrier.

Jimmy in the legal digging days most broc's would not be killed but just released back into the sett and sett filed in carefully again, so more like a dig and return or atleast thats wot i was told from the old timers. But in those days broc was not that common in this area so they did look after them when they weren't digging them

 

[User00025]

When I was a young lad, several local worthy's used to go out and dig to Badgers with Terriers. They never killed them just moved them on.
I did a lot of terrier work with foxes in my youth for both keepers and the hunt as I kept quite a few wee dogs, we never had the advantage of radio collars so it was all hard graft. It was always a case of either bolt it or dig up to it, get the dog out and shoot it with a pistol. I have removed Badgers using terriers where a farmer's tractors kept dropping into the sett whilst working well away from the entrances. I handled them into sack bags and resettled them in setts I knew miles away.
These lowlifes are the absolute pits and as someone else said, the old lads from the 40's and 50's would have broken their legs for them with a shovel and not bothered reporting them to the feds.