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Freeforester
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The Advanced stalker certificate was/is equivalent of NVQ L3, just sayin’
Won't this be the equivalent to the current BDS/LANTRA DMC?
I am not sure why there is all the negativity towards a competitor to DMQ. The qualifications are recognised by assessment bodies. Can't quite see the problem.
I am not sure why there is all the negativity towards a competitor to DMQ. The qualifications are recognised by assessment bodies. Can't quite see the problem.
A problem I can see is that whem you have multiple broadly equivalent qualifications you're muddying water and devaluing each one.
The point of a qualification is to demonstrate to a non-expert, and probably not-very-interested-person that you have a particular level of expertise. That's fine if there's a qualification for it. Once there are several qualifications, a landowner, insurer, employer etc. may require the person to have qualification A. They are not guaranteed to be interested in whether qualification B, C or D is equivalent. At which point you're then involved in a haggle, which is precisely what the qualification is intended to avoid.
IF i was a landowner and required (perhaps for insurance or whatever) that potential stalkers had DSC2, I am not going to be listening to the person with XYX3, which he says is just as good or better. I will simply move on to people who have what I require. Non-stalkers are not interested in comparing syllabus content of a subject they don't care deeply about and its rigour.
Possibly. Candidates may need to consider this very carefully. I am not sure it will actually matter though. I don't think anyone cares, for example, whether their mechanic achieved a City & Guilds qualification or an IMI qualification; or whether their accountant qualified through ACCA, CIMA etc.
I am not clear on whether these deer qualifications carry the same levels of accreditation as professional qualifications and I wouldn't bother finding out.
FWIW there are differences between CIMA and ACCA such that people do care and outside personal or small business accountancy it does matter. What should be noted is that there aren't lots of competing professional qualifications. There are a small number of different things for different purposes with some overlap. In any event, for any serious purpose you don't go around inventing new competing qualifications. That is not serving stalkers. It is businesses talking up a market, trying to create a gatekeeping situation and seeking to exploit it.
Do DMC3 candidates receive a "Distinction" if they have access to a deer larder post exam?
He/she might have a Masters in Wildlife Ecology & (Deer) Management but without the services of a Game Dealer to assist with the crittical disposal of the said ungulates, he/she may as well have an FAC ammunition allowance that equates to a box per annum!
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He/she might have a Masters in Wildlife Ecology & (Deer) Management but without the services of a Game Dealer to assist with the crittical disposal of the said ungulates, he/she may as well have an FAC ammunition allowance that equates to a box per annum!
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The implication being that because DMQ created the market first they should be allowed an unquestioning monopoly. That doesn't seem to have 'served stalkers' very well either.
I'm not a particular fan of qualifications and know nothing much about them, what is wrong with DSCs or what way stalkers expected DMQ to have served them better.
jimmer.13
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I’m currently updating my rodenticide qualifications before the January deadline. Lots of course providers delivering the same content. My clients won’t care where I got my qualifications as long as the boxes are ticked and legislation is met.
The course content is the same to meet the legal standards,much the same as DSC or PDS are both recognised by the FLD.
The course content is the same to meet the legal standards,much the same as DSC or PDS are both recognised by the FLD.
Nothing wrong with DSC in particular - it's a sensible vocational qualification to have.
DMQ as an organisation don't seem to be especially bothered about the service level to stalkers, however. Have a look around at people waiting inordinate amounts of time to get their quals signed off through internal verifiers. There is no alternative, candidates are at the mercy of the system.
The controversy about charging AWs to reaccredit centred around the unfairness to AWs - a view I certainly have some sympathy with. A knock-on issue would also be the availabilty of AWs to candidates. Logically, the AWs who charge minimally or not at all won't want to pay for the priviledge of facilitating DMQ's revenue stream and the cheaper options for candidates dry up a bit. Potentially, should enough AWs drop out, finding one available in a reasonable distance may become harder in the more sparsely populated bits of the UK.
I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but I think until very recently (a year or so) DSC1 was only delivered in a classroom over 3/4 days. If that didn't fit with your learning style then there was no alternative. I think PDS1 was what changed that.
My general impression is that DMQ have been sat on their laurels, not imagining that their position as sole qualification provider for deer management would be challenged, requiring no need to change or develop. Crazy decisions like starting to charge volunteers who are essential to your business to undertake the training required might be borne from this attitude.
I think DSC is a worthwhile endeavour and the content of DSC1 in particular is pretty good. I have considered becoming an AW for DSC2 but have been put off by the nonsense surrounding it. Paying for the induction, needing two AW referees, once-yearly intakes, unspecified ongoing CPD just make me not overly bothered about helping them out. I feel bad for candidates if they are struggling but perhaps that's why an alternative is desirable.
By contrast becoming a PDS verifier is significantly easier. They accept DSC2 qualification as you holding the requisite skills to progress to becoming a verifier. Completion of the course is online at a time/pace of your choosing.
DMQ as an organisation don't seem to be especially bothered about the service level to stalkers, however. Have a look around at people waiting inordinate amounts of time to get their quals signed off through internal verifiers. There is no alternative, candidates are at the mercy of the system.
The controversy about charging AWs to reaccredit centred around the unfairness to AWs - a view I certainly have some sympathy with. A knock-on issue would also be the availabilty of AWs to candidates. Logically, the AWs who charge minimally or not at all won't want to pay for the priviledge of facilitating DMQ's revenue stream and the cheaper options for candidates dry up a bit. Potentially, should enough AWs drop out, finding one available in a reasonable distance may become harder in the more sparsely populated bits of the UK.
I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but I think until very recently (a year or so) DSC1 was only delivered in a classroom over 3/4 days. If that didn't fit with your learning style then there was no alternative. I think PDS1 was what changed that.
My general impression is that DMQ have been sat on their laurels, not imagining that their position as sole qualification provider for deer management would be challenged, requiring no need to change or develop. Crazy decisions like starting to charge volunteers who are essential to your business to undertake the training required might be borne from this attitude.
I think DSC is a worthwhile endeavour and the content of DSC1 in particular is pretty good. I have considered becoming an AW for DSC2 but have been put off by the nonsense surrounding it. Paying for the induction, needing two AW referees, once-yearly intakes, unspecified ongoing CPD just make me not overly bothered about helping them out. I feel bad for candidates if they are struggling but perhaps that's why an alternative is desirable.
By contrast becoming a PDS verifier is significantly easier. They accept DSC2 qualification as you holding the requisite skills to progress to becoming a verifier. Completion of the course is online at a time/pace of your choosing.
Yes. I didn't meant to conflate LANTRA with DMQ in my original post. It was a seperate point about the negativity around PDS/H&SC.
timbrayford
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Oh by the way in the expert opinion of Hampshire FLD all DSC 1&2 prove is that you have "attended a course". My recollection was somewhat different but given the contemptuous attitude why even bother with any kind of qualifications at all?
Bo Diddley
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Qualifications don't always reflect someone's practical skills or experience.
Nickb
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Exactly experience in the field is what counts , piece of paper means nothing.
Bo Diddley
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Yep, thinking of my big brother, shot thousands of deer and not a piece of paper to his name.
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