Trophy ban?

[wildfowler.250]

Gents, this may be a ‘how long is a piece of string’ question but has anyone with an idea of politics know how long these things take to go through lords? It’s been stuck on second reading for a while.

Is it a case that if it takes too long, it gets thrown out or back to square one?


From reading, these laws can be implemented in 2 months time or in a few years time once passed?


I’m trying to establish whether to book 1) a trip before it comes in - but I wouldn’t want capes etc stuck in Africa if you couldn’t import. 2) this may drag on for years and now would be the time to book? Feels risky though.


Any ideas? It was well discussed on here for a while and then seems to have fizzled out.

 

[wildfowler.250]

Well I’m guessing it’s safe to say either none of us are in the loop which is probably fair .. Or, we’re not worried about it any more

 

[Jon P]

I think it a case of how long is that piece of string, no one knows at present, I believe the bill mentioned anything caught by the bill hunted on or after 1 June 2023 will be included. However this could change so all guess work at mo.

 

[wildfowler.250]

I think it a case of how long is that piece of string, no one knows at present, I believe the bill mentioned anything caught by the bill hunted on or after 1 June 2023 will be included. However this could change so all guess work at mo.

Interesting, that’s a new one to me so thanks! Certainly fieldsportsbritain we’re putting up wee snippets/updates at the start and now it’s all gone quiet. Suppose that could be good or bad!

 

[rarms]

Wouldn't let it affect you booking a trip. Also remember reading even if it comes in then you can import via Northern Ireland as their no customs border with Ireland which is still part of EU will mean they can be imported to Ireland and go north.

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

In summary, no import ban if you are hunting non-CITES listed species and if you are booking hunting trips for CITES listed species no import ban on the horizon for now. BASC remains vehemently opposed to the Bill, and continues to fight the proposals.

At its last scrutiny in the Commons before moving to the Lords the scope of the Bill was reduced from a ban on the import of products (including heads, skins, leather, fur and feathers) from any species hunted overseas to a ban on the import of products of Appendix I/II CITES listed species hunted overseas that are written into UK law.

The CITES listings are regularly updated and the latest list is here:

https://cites.org/sites/default/files/eng/app/2023/E-Appendices-2023-02-23.pdf

Put simply, if the Bill were to become law it would apply to relevant CITES-listed species hunted the day after it became law. There is no ban on the immediate horizon with progression through the House of Lords yet to come and further amendments likely and after that the details would still need to be decided pending advice from an Advisory Board on Hunting Trophies (this requirement was agreed to in the Commons).

BASC updates in weblinks below:

BASC statement on trophy hunting bill passing Commons stages

BASC remains vehemently opposed to the Hunting Trophies (Import Prohibition) Bill, which passed its Commons stages today.

basc.org.uk

Trophy hunting bill misses its target - BASC

The Hunting Trophies Bill can only work if it’s revised to target unsustainable practices over those that conserve threatened species.

basc.org.uk

Latest version of the Bill is here:

https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/50389/documents/3164

 

[wildfowler.250]

Wouldn't let it affect you booking a trip. Also remember reading even if it comes in then you can import via Northern Ireland as their no customs border with Ireland which is still part of EU will mean they can be imported to Ireland and go north.

It’s an alternative but a risky way if you loose your ‘trophy’ on route home!

In summary, no import ban if you are hunting non-CITES listed species and if you are booking hunting trips for CITES listed species no import ban on the horizon for now. BASC remains vehemently opposed to the Bill, and continues to fight the proposals.

At its last scrutiny in the Commons before moving to the Lords the scope of the Bill was reduced from a ban on the import of products (including heads, skins, leather, fur and feathers) from any species hunted overseas to a ban on the import of products of Appendix I/II CITES listed species hunted overseas that are written into UK law.

The CITES listings are regularly updated and the latest list is here:

https://cites.org/sites/default/files/eng/app/2023/E-Appendices-2023-02-23.pdf

Put simply, if the Bill were to become law it would apply to relevant CITES-listed species hunted the day after it became law. There is no ban on the immediate horizon with progression through the House of Lords yet to come and further amendments likely and after that the details would still need to be decided pending advice from an Advisory Board on Hunting Trophies (this requirement was agreed to in the Commons).

BASC updates in weblinks below:

BASC statement on trophy hunting bill passing Commons stages

BASC remains vehemently opposed to the Hunting Trophies (Import Prohibition) Bill, which passed its Commons stages today.

basc.org.uk

Trophy hunting bill misses its target - BASC

The Hunting Trophies Bill can only work if it’s revised to target unsustainable practices over those that conserve threatened species.

basc.org.uk

Latest version of the Bill is here:

https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/50389/documents/3164

Thanks for that! There seems to be very little updates on the ban and there was a lot of noise about it a few weeks prior.

Does seem a shame that animals like black bear which are widely hunted across the pond,(and eaten) would fall under the CITES ban as all bears seem to be on it regardless of numbers.

Appreciate the updates though. If there’s any more developments I’d be keen to hear them

 

[s8mdevo]

In summary, no import ban if you are hunting non-CITES listed species and if you are booking hunting trips for CITES listed species no import ban on the horizon for now. BASC remains vehemently opposed to the Bill, and continues to fight the proposals.

At its last scrutiny in the Commons before moving to the Lords the scope of the Bill was reduced from a ban on the import of products (including heads, skins, leather, fur and feathers) from any species hunted overseas to a ban on the import of products of Appendix I/II CITES listed species hunted overseas that are written into UK law.

The CITES listings are regularly updated and the latest list is here:

https://cites.org/sites/default/files/eng/app/2023/E-Appendices-2023-02-23.pdf

Put simply, if the Bill were to become law it would apply to relevant CITES-listed species hunted the day after it became law. There is no ban on the immediate horizon with progression through the House of Lords yet to come and further amendments likely and after that the details would still need to be decided pending advice from an Advisory Board on Hunting Trophies (this requirement was agreed to in the Commons).

BASC updates in weblinks below:

BASC statement on trophy hunting bill passing Commons stages

BASC remains vehemently opposed to the Hunting Trophies (Import Prohibition) Bill, which passed its Commons stages today.

basc.org.uk

Trophy hunting bill misses its target - BASC

The Hunting Trophies Bill can only work if it’s revised to target unsustainable practices over those that conserve threatened species.

basc.org.uk

Latest version of the Bill is here:

https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/50389/documents/3164

I'm struggling to find much info on this that I can trust as fact. I have a crate of animals in Canada that I wish to have shipped home, 2 of which are CITES (black bear and mountain lion) and that were all hunted and killed before 1st May. Is it the day they were killed that is important or the date on the export permit? I am worried to ship these and get into an argument over when they were killed and they end up keeping them at the border.

What I am trying to ascertain is, will the ban be for anything hunted after the law is in place, or will it include animals hunted earlier, or even include trophies that could have been mounted years ago?

 

[long_range_rob]

I wonder how many “historical biological reference samples” will be imported

 

[Jon P]

I'm struggling to find much info on this that I can trust as fact. I have a crate of animals in Canada that I wish to have shipped home, 2 of which are CITES (black bear and mountain lion) and that were all hunted and killed before 1st May. Is it the day they were killed that is important or the date on the export permit? I am worried to ship these and get into an argument over when they were killed and they end up keeping them at the border.

What I am trying to ascertain is, will the ban be for anything hunted after the law is in place, or will it include animals hunted earlier, or even include trophies that could have been mounted years ago?

It all speculation at present until it gets rubber stamped- most legislation is not retrospective though so anything hunted already prior to the implement date should be fine, have you found a U.K. company yet to deal with your import into U.K. ?

 

[s8mdevo]

It all speculation at present until it gets rubber stamped- most legislation is not retrospective though so anything hunted already prior to the implement date should be fine, have you found a U.K. company yet to deal with your import into U.K. ?

That is the problem, I was using quest freight for years and they were brilliant. I touched base with them for this shipment and because of this bill they won't touch it. Even without the CITES animals they think it will be difficult to find a company that will help. Do you know of a company that may be able to assist??

 

[Jon P]

That is the problem, I was using quest freight for years and they were brilliant. I touched base with them for this shipment and because of this bill they won't touch it. Even without the CITES animals they think it will be difficult to find a company that will help. Do you know of a company that may be able to assist??

No sorry, I have used quest in the past. Was hoping you had found another

 

[s8mdevo]

No sorry, I have used quest in the past. Was hoping you had found another

It's so frustrating, I plan on making some calls this week as I've only just got back from Canada last week.

 

[Jon P]

It's so frustrating, I plan on making some calls this week as I've only just got back from Canada last week.

Hopefully once the legislation is finalised some other company starts up to assist with imports ,they will be able to charge what they like as they will be the only ones.

 

[s8mdevo]

Hopefully once the legislation is finalised some other company starts up to assist with imports ,they will be able to charge what they like as they will be the only ones.

Yes, they will likely take the **** with fees for sure!

 

[Conor O'Gorman]

I'm struggling to find much info on this that I can trust as fact. I have a crate of animals in Canada that I wish to have shipped home, 2 of which are CITES (black bear and mountain lion) and that were all hunted and killed before 1st May. Is it the day they were killed that is important or the date on the export permit? I am worried to ship these and get into an argument over when they were killed and they end up keeping them at the border.

What I am trying to ascertain is, will the ban be for anything hunted after the law is in place, or will it include animals hunted earlier, or even include trophies that could have been mounted years ago?

Your imports will not be affected if the Bill were to become law because as currently drafted it would apply to relevant CITES-listed species hunted the day after it became law.

 

[s8mdevo]

Your imports will not be affected if the Bill were to become law because as currently drafted it would apply to relevant CITES-listed species hunted the day after it became law.

So I should obviously plan another trip immediately then