Special Operations Command has adopted a new long range rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor.
USSOCOM Adopts 6.5 Creedmoor - Soldier Systems Daily
USSOCOM Adopts 6.5 Creedmoor - Soldier Systems Daily
US Military adopts 6.5 Creedmoor
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Knowing how things work in the US I’m sure it’s hornady or federal giving backhanders to the decision makers to push popularity and coolness rating for this new all singing and dancing magical chambering! Bit like government being owned by insurance and pharma’s...
LOL!! Half joking here
LOL!! Half joking here
The problem with Special Forces, sometimes, is that they seem to choose a weapon just to be different from the regular guys and not because it is better.
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The M1 Garand was initially developed with a new round using a .276 inch bullet (but not the .270 Winchester ) alongside the .30-06. The huge stores of .30 US Army ammunition and 1903, 1903A, and P-17 rifles pushed them to stay with that.
The M60 machinegun was initially developed around the .30-06 ( I have handled it ). Winchester had to push the transition to the 7.62x51mm by releasing the Model 70 in .308 Win to the hunting community.
The M60 machinegun was initially developed around the .30-06 ( I have handled it ). Winchester had to push the transition to the 7.62x51mm by releasing the Model 70 in .308 Win to the hunting community.
Dull Shooter
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I'm waiting to get my hands on some once fired brass......~Muir
The avalibility of once fired brass is pretty big plus in my book.
Which, of course, would have given it its intended ten round capacity. Not the eight round capacity imposed on it by its being chambered in .30-06.
kenbro
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Don’t hold your breath!
I think it’s bull dust.
Ken.
I'm waiting to get my hands on some once fired brass......
Don’t hold your breath!
I think it’s bull dust.
Ken.
I'm not. I remember being at the SHOT show in Las Vegas when Remington declared that the military was officially adopting the 6.8 SPC. We all know how that turned out.....~Muir
One of the lads that came back from the SF Sniper comp in South Carolina earlier this year said the Creedmoor will be used next year. A hint that the mil will be using it. I am not a fan of 6.5 for hunting deer but as a target/ mil / long-range bullet it has worked in the past. The 6.5 creedmoor ticks a lot of boxes that are relevant to the military. I think it is here to stay as it is a proper short action cartridge, barrel life OK, ammo a bit lighter than 308 and better long range performance. I don't think the US military willy nilly takes on cartridges because of a fad. How many new small arms cartridges have they taken on in the last 50 years?
At least with the creedmoor existing rifles can be re-barrelled, existing mags work.
btw. as far as I heard the sniper comp was won with rifles using carbon wrapped barrels. The world does not stand still.
edi
At least with the creedmoor existing rifles can be re-barrelled, existing mags work.
btw. as far as I heard the sniper comp was won with rifles using carbon wrapped barrels. The world does not stand still.
edi
kenbro
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Muir, I Hadn’t noticed your winker when i posted.
Cheers,Ken.
True. This is just Special Forces getting permission and some money to try the 6.5 Creedmoor. That is good. This is a continuation of a major policy change which began under President G.W. Bush in 2002, to allow the military to submit equipment which civilians were finding useful to a streamlined purchase and try. That gave us new camo patterns, new cartridges, sights, slings, stocks magazines, boots, body armor, and mess gear. Not all of them stick, but hopefully the cream rises to the top.
I think the 6.5cm will start in a special role in the mil side and probably has a purpose. Out of all 6.5's I think it makes most sense.
As a hunting cartridge for medium or larger deer taken under 300m there are much better options. Many experienced guides here will pull up their nose if a client arrives with a 6.5 of any guise. I refuse to go out with someone using a 6.5. Wasted enough days trying to find perfectly shot placement Sika that just ran away. In Ireland the ammo supply is lousy, at one stage there was only match ammo or 156 lapua mega on offer for the 6.5x55. Out of a 22" barrel my guess was that not even 2400fps were achieved. drops were unreal and zero expansion seemed to be the case as it just pencilled through small Sika. Every 223 would have done a better job and I would not have a problem with a 22-250 which mostly just flattens small deer. Other issue is that we often shoot on very small properties, sometimes only a few acres and don't have the luxury of watching a deer run away a few hundred yards... that deer is then lost.
I would now have much more faith in not too heavy Hornady bullets out of a Creedmoor running at a decent speed.... or just use a 308.
The 6.5 fad has also taken the Germans, great for roe but plenty long faces when they can't find their boar.
edi
I can assure you Edi that no deer of any kind or size in NZ will just run away from a 143gr ELD-X at a MV of 2750-2800fps, if its anywhere within 600m+ its gonna be worried. Unless Irish deer are made of something quite different, like kevlar or basalt. It would be quite embarrassing if a guide turned their noses up at a 6.5 Creedmoor with the ELD-X. What would you say to the man?
Firstly the 6.5's received a bad reputation in certain parts of the world for a reason. Not all are stupid or don't know what they are doing. It is just a fact that a 308/3006 will put boar down quicker than a 6.5. It is also a fact a 308/3006 will be less sensitive to what bullet is used. We are talking Europe with average shooting distance of around 80m, not 600m. We have very small hunting areas/permissions compared to yours, if a deer runs even only 50yds it could be over the fence and stays there to rot. Often creating problems between neighbours. Evening stalks close to thick cover is another issue, guides don't like spending half the night looking for a deer. Sika deer being possibly the toughest we have.
Yes I would love to try the ELD's in a 6.5cm for myself as we don't have boar and they might be fine for long range plinking, fox and our small Sika deer. If only we can get the ammo reliably. It all starts with the rifle, a hunting rifle for most I know here will be moderated and have 20" barrel length, max 22". The creedmoor factory ammo realistically will be around? 2600 fps? A good customer of ours shot over 100 roe deer with ELD's last year, 30-350m and sent me many pictures of exit wounds. All seemed quite hefty and the small deer dropped very well. He however also shot three boar, lost all three and now changed back to 308.
All I am saying is that one needs to be a bit more careful with the bullet choice when using 6.5's, also check bullet speeds as one might be very disappointed in shorter barrels..... at the end of the why?... if I could also use a 308.
edi
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