walkie talkie recommendations pls?

I actually don't know the difference. I assume one you have to pay a subscription?

Correct. I embedded a link to the Ofcom business licence in my words above, but will show it more plainly here:


That is for terrestrial frequencies.

A marine VHF radio also requires a licence, but this license is a one-time competency licence, not ongoing frequency rental. It is an offense to operate a marine VHF radio without a licence.
 
Zambezi is incorrect, in so many ways. You cannot just program up a Baofeng into a marine VHF. Nor can you do it on the UK business light channels. Nor the PMR channels.

Anything operating along these lines has to be type approved here. Which Baofengs, and others like them are not. Put them on a spectrum analyser and see just how crappy their output is, harmonics all over the place. What else would you expect from something so cheap. They are strictly for licensed radio amateurs. If you want something a lot better, look at e.g. the TYT range.

And, by the way, you can register for a ships portable radio license, for free, as I have, for my legit. marine vhf. Look it up. You do not have had to have passed any test, indeed the coastguard want as many as possible to carry these things when on the water. And I think limited to four watts output, for a portable. You can still screw it onto a high gain antenna if you want. Mine is about fifteen feet up, near the top of the mast. Makes a huge difference.

Your callsign will start with the letter T. The coastguard can look it up if they want to know who you are. Also find your contact details and next of kin if you have entered them. Likewise I have a slot to register an epirb or plb to me personally, but do not have either yet.

Still feeling anarchical ? Well take a look at Ships' radio and ship portable radio

And ponder about "Failure to hold a valid licence is a criminal offence and Ofcom's enforcement team can impose on-the-spot fines. The maximum penalty on conviction is a £5,000 fine and/or a six month prison sentence. Those convicted may also be ordered to forfeit any radio apparatus used illegally."

Just a simple point, a pukka marine VHF will only transmit for a certain amount of time before it has to be re-keyed. This is to ensure that it stops, whether or not the operator continues to yack into it interminably, or a fault has occurred in say the mic. switch. Not unusual in marine environments.

A little research will soon tell you the expected protocol for how to use one clearly and succinctly. And the difference between the simplex and duplexed channels.

Some useful information about how this all works:


To re-iterate. A marine VHF, whether legit. or a homebrew effort, is only for use on the water, or in marinas and maybe sailing clubs if they have their own allocated duplex channels, which mine does. They are competitive, so prefer not to use M1 and M2 simplex where everybody else can listen in to what you are talking about, to report for example to the race committee, when for example wanting to make a protest against someone else. And suggesting that they send over the committee boat to take a look and maybe give some stern advice. Otherwise the UK clubs just use M1 and M2.

Marine VHFs are not for using to communicate on land. Anyone suggesting otherwise is giving very bad advice.
 
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Finally, for the OP, if you are serious about this, forget about any PMR446 stuff. They are limited to a pitiful 500 mW output into a fixed, tiny, antenna. Wild claims made for some, but essentially unless you are in direct line of sight of each other they won't work.

Go instead for UK business light handsets from a proper supplier, five Watts, and pay the £70 for 5 years fee, covering as many as you want. That's not going to break the bank.

This is the license that you will get:


NB:

3. Interface Requirements for the Radio Equipment Use
(a) Use of the radio equipment shall be in accordance with the following Interface
Requirement:
i. IR 2044 for “Business Radio Land Mobile Services, covering Area Defined,Technically
Assigned and Light Licence Authorisations”; and
ii. or for equipment first placed on the market before 8 April 2000, is required to be type
approved in accordance with the appropriate published technical performance
standards authorised at the date of installation of the Radio Equipment, subject to any
modifications authorised by Ofcom.
(b) The Licensee shall provide acceptable documentary evidence of conformity on
request within 28 days, for all or any part of the systems, to an Ofcom
representative.

So, Zambezi, put that in your pipe and smoke it, along with your Baofengs. Just because you think that you can do something yourself does not make it correct. Assuming that you even actually know what you are doing.
 
Motorola T82 you can get a set of 4 on Amazon circa £110 black and yellow good range simple controls compact and excellent battery life our syndicate has been using a set for couple of seasons now very good
 
Zambezi is incorrect, in so many ways

So, Zambezi, put that in your pipe and smoke it, along with your Baofengs

Where's that Christmas card list...





Some valid points in those posts. But also quite a lot of redundant reiteration of my posts too, which is odd [I fully acknowledge all relevant licences, frequency schemas, etc]. Strange.

And some outright tosh and lack of research which in someone posting such a vociferous rebutall is odd. You would think more care before reaching for the keyboard:

<marine vhf> limited to four watts output, for a portable




The hardware type approval bit for business lite probably needs research. Onus definitely rests on the user of any radio to operate within specification, whatever the application. The marine vhf configs I deployed showed no bleed into adjacent channels. Tested in front of an ex-coastguard.
 
I remember when this was a forum for exchanging ideas and opinions along with some lighthearted banter, must be another side effect of lockdown, keyboard Covid
 
The hardware type approval bit for business lite probably needs research. Onus definitely rests on the user of any radio to operate within specification, whatever the application. The marine vhf configs I deployed showed no bleed into adjacent channels. Tested in front of an ex-coastguard.
There is no ambiguity. Here are some pointers:

It is crystal clear. By the way, it is spelt Light. not lite.

Business_Radio_Suppliers_Light_licence. Which you need to work on business and marine radios. Presuming that you have the necessary test equipment.


IR2044, which has now replaced formal type approval for land based things.


The Marine Equipment Directive. Requiring certification for all marine VHFs.


I'm sorry, but if the extent of your testing was simply to sit down with your ex-coastguard and give it a whirl against his, that will not do. A confidence check, certainly, and good that you did it. But you can't have tested any of the important duplex channels I suspect.

By the way, since you are using Baofengs, try using the proper factory programming software. Better than CHIRP. And yes, you can brick a device using CHIRP incorrectly. If so maybe try looking at Fixing a bricked Baofeng – Otley Amateur Radio Society


FWIW a real marine VHF doesn't have to cost much. E.g. you can get started for as little as £60 for e.g. a Cobra Marine HH125. £80 will get you a waterproof floating one. Mine is a rather better Standard Horizon. Built like a tank. Confident that it is unlikely to let me down.

You keep on doing what you are, that's your choice, not mine. I doubt that anyone is going to stop you.
 
So I’ve been thinking about getting a set of radios, and this thread has just left me completely confused.

Is it possible to just buy a set and go? For use over 2-3km?

The ‘discussion’ but licensing and marine VHF has left me utterly lost.
 
Is it possible to just buy a set and go? For use over 2-3km?

Frequencies allocated for Ship Portable marine VHF radios may not be used on land.

Licence-free PMR446 radios can be used on land but range will be closer to 1km typically.

Terrestrial radio frequencies are available for lease from Ofcom and more powerful transmitters [than PMR446] are permissible. These can operate over longer distances than PMR446 radios. Discuss with suppliers of handsets like Motorola. Your local pheasant estate can probably give you a good steer on what has worked for them as business radios are an integral part of marshalling beaters.
 
I’ve just spent £26K on these from Tait so would have to recommend the brand. No doubt I’m gonna receive some stick from one or more Team member as there’s not a black radio amongst them:
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