Wet weather jacket

Strath sniper

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With all this wet weather we've had recently in the highlands I've found out that there is NO jacket I own up to the task of being waterproof and breathable...

Stoney-creek, KUIU, harkila orton, all supposed to be waterproof but not ..... Any recommendations for a waterproof /breathable lightweight jacket (remember it's for highland hill stalking)...
Thanks
 
With all this wet weather we've had recently in the highlands I've found out that there is NO jacket I own up to the task of being waterproof and breathable...

Stoney-creek, KUIU, harkila orton, all supposed to be waterproof but not ..... Any recommendations for a waterproof /breathable lightweight jacket (remember it's for highland hill stalking)...
Thanks

I think you are right but it isn't just you - there is no jacket anyone owns that is waterproof and breathable.
 
I've been stalking the Highlands for the best part of 25yrs and during this time I've tried every jacket from Hoggs of Fife to Seeland to Harkila to Nomad. The only one I found that actually had the ability to breathe was the ex army Gore Tex.

The Ridgeline Monsoon was the worst. It was like wearing a black plastic bag.
 
I'd go with decent base and mid layer stuff below so if it does start to leak atleast u'll be warm.

I've just bought a Berghaus gore Tex, still to have a proper trial but ok so far
Got some deer hunter pvc/old fashioned water proofs for work which aren't to badbut sweaty when working in all day.

I imagine gore Tex but any brand should be similar wether ex army or not.
Possibly buy 2 cheaper 1s and change at lunch, when wet throu.
I used to do that with my old berghauses, pre gore Tex, both pretty old now but still do a job if not too wet, fine for picking up in as in and out motor all day.

A lot of hill keepers used to wear Rab, and parmao? is another highly reccommended
Not cheap thou
 
I really like Paramo gear. It’s a bit ‘marmite’ in that I think you either love it or hate it, but I love it. It’s no more waterproof than hard shell gear, and it’s certainly no cheaper but it is well suited to what we all do in that it’s quiet, it wicks and vents well, it’s easy to wash and reproof, it’s easy to repair and when you do get wet, you’ll feel warmer than you would with a hard shell. Worth a look.
 
With all this wet weather we've had recently in the highlands I've found out that there is NO jacket I own up to the task of being waterproof and breathable...

Stoney-creek, KUIU, harkila orton, all supposed to be waterproof but not ..... Any recommendations for a waterproof /breathable lightweight jacket (remember it's for highland hill stalking)...
Thanks
Arktis Lightweight waterproof shell coat hooded, Australian Camo, great because it's so lightweight you shouldna sweat too much either carrying or wearing it, but waterproof too, and the wind goes round rather than through. Not breatheable, but next best thing. Grand muted colour on the hill too.

I usually set off to the hill a bit 'underdressed', often just the baselayer in fine weather, so that it feels a bit cold when you set out; by the time you've stepped up a bit the heat appears, but can easily be stripped off you if you haven't a windproof outer layer to throw on. Waterproof definitely an advantage! Most guests appear wrapped up like Michelin men, and end up sweating like horses before you get to the start of the hill path at the bottom, never mind up in the snow in the Corrie, lol!

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Best value jacket I ever bought.
 
Keep an eye out for a Berghaus Cornice, you can sometimes find them for under 200 quid, as good as any and a few hundred quid cheaper than some.
 
3 layer Goretex is the only truly waterproof yet breathable fabric I've ever owned. Not cheap & not quiet though.
 
Not all Gore-tex is equal. I have viewed Arcteryx fabric at the factory under a microscope compared to another leading brand and the difference is staggering. You pay for the name, but also a much more effective fabric. Gore-tex have just released new fabric classifications based durability vs breathability.
However at the end of the day even the best fabric will fail to breathe in high humidity if you are working hard. It comes down to managing your layering system and your exertion level.
Ponchos are remarkably effective and keeping you dry and allowing good airflow, but these days people often put looks over performance 🙄

 
Callum, don't buy one of the new Deer Hunter game keeper jackets. Good enough to keep you dry, but too warm for your sort of ground. I've gone to Seeland fleece and ex army goretex if I'm back in the big hills. ATB Dave
 
I like my Paramo Halcon. They're quiet, reasonably lightweight and are well ventilated to help with breathability. It's best worn as part of a system of layered clothing, so wicking baselayer, with a midlayer depending on temperature and the Paramo as the outer layer. If you constantly wear a backpack keep the foam strips inside the back of the jacket as they stop the fabric being pushed against your body, which can cause leaks.

As log as you wear it as an outer layer only, it does a fantastic job. For the last six years I have worn mine for game shooting, stalking, hillwalking and a couple of hours out every single day with the dog in mainly Pennine moorland. I can honestly say that in that time I have never seen any rain ingress.

It doesn't depend on a membrane for waterproofing, so doesn't suffer the eventual degrading of the membrane like Gore-Tex of whatever grade. You do need to follow the care instructions to the letter though..... washing in non-bio soap, no conditioner, and a reproofing every few washes with DWR .

The next advantage is that you can repair tears and abrasions with a simple needle and thread without losing the integrity of the fabric. Mine has had several barbed wire cuts and bramble moments. It got worn through in a few places and after four and a half years needed a new zip, so it went back to Paramo, who replaced the zip, the entire back panel, and patched the chest and sleeves, then gave it a factory re-proofing for the princely sum of 90 quid.

The hood is fantastic. It works over a hat with a volume adjuster and wired peak. The collar zips up to the nose, and coupled with the hood does a great job of shutting out horizontal rain and sleet- a common feature of our local weather.

It has two huge dry chest pockets, big enough for a pair of binos and a thermal spotter, plus two bellows style pockets, ideal for a couple of boxes of cartridges, and there's a game/poacher's pocket on the inside. There are also a pair of velour-lined handwarmer pockets.
 
Nothing is really fully waterproof in properly wet conditions if you’re out and active for more than an hour or two.

A good base layer or two makes up for this, and something dry to change into once you stop moving.

What astonishes me is just how badly designed so many of the high end jackets and smocks are. Every single one has some serious flaws, from cuffs that absorb water, to too many zips in stupid places, to no pockets, to hoods that don’t cinch up to keep the weather out, to no reinforcement on elbows etc etc.

I don’t understand it.
 
As above biggest flaw are usually cuffs, only coat ive got with decent cuffs is swazi tahr xp. just got sitka downpour jacket that's nice waterproof and breathable but cuffs are not very good. I got harkila orton jacket and trousers last season for loading and they seem good but probably not tough enough for stalking. Took a punt on game stealth trousers last year and well impressed for £39 for stalking
 
As above biggest flaw are usually cuffs, only coat ive got with decent cuffs is swazi tahr xp. just got sitka downpour jacket that's nice waterproof and breathable but cuffs are not very good. I got harkila orton jacket and trousers last season for loading and they seem good but probably not tough enough for stalking. Took a punt on game stealth trousers last year and well impressed for £39 for stalking
Interesting that you like the cuffs on the Tahr. I hate them - I find they absorb water that then wicks up your arm. And it has almost no pockets.

I think the Tahr is edging toward the right design - but could be made so much better with a few tweaks.
 
There really is only one sure fire way to keep dry. Go out when it isn’t raining. There’s only one sure way to ensure maximum breath ability and that’s to go out naked.
All other methods are, by their nature a compromise. Some better than others.
 
With all this wet weather we've had recently in the highlands I've found out that there is NO jacket I own up to the task of being waterproof and breathable...

Stoney-creek, KUIU, harkila orton, all supposed to be waterproof but not ..... Any recommendations for a waterproof /breathable lightweight jacket (remember it's for highland hill stalking)...
Thanks
I was thinking the same thing yesterday as I seemed to wetter on the inside of jacket than it was outside. You don't mind so much about the cost as long as it works , the trouble is once you have bought it and used it you cannot take it back . Any suggestions as to what base layers to wear to minimise this.
 
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