What what would you do with this musgrave?

J111

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Ok so This is my musgrave mauser 98 in 243. Sorry if you're bored of this as I did another post about mounts.

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It was my first deer rifle and I'm trying to decide whether to keep it or sell and get something else. Basically Iv'e got a cz550 in 30-06 which I'm using for everything at the moment, but it would be nice to have a short barrel, light, 243 for the roe, munties and foxes which is what the 243 should be for really.

I bought it for £450 with the scope on but soon discovered it wouldn't hold zero well. I spent a few months learning about what makes guns shoot straight, and did a number of things: installed a steel bar into the stock to stiffen the fore-end, pillar bedded it, got new mounts, shorten and screwcut the barrell. This all basically got it shooting acceptably. Not great but good enough. Accuracy seems to have gone off again and after cleaning the barrel back to bare metal and checking all the usual things, I now reckon the reason it's not shooting sub inch is because there rear mount is not seated properly on the receiver so have ordered up a 1 piece base to try. I've also had £300 worth of stock work done on it to add chequering, rosewood tip and grip cap.

It has a few things that irritate me:

  • one is the lock time is so slow that it makes shooting a bit weird and probably affects accuracy
  • the action is a long-action which is a minor thing I guess but it means's bigger and slower to cycle than needs to be. I suppose it could be argued that this is a positive as it's the same length as my 30-06.
  • The other is the safety is the original flag type system that fouls the scope. This means I can apply the safety, but not to the point where the bolt can be locked and there is always the risk that when carrying the rifle that the bolt can open and a round drop out! This can be sorted but might have to spend a couple of hundred quid on getting a new bolt shroud and 3 position safety fitted.
  • Final thing is that if you bore sight it and then fire a shot it shoots about 30cm low which makes me suspicious about what's going on as all other rifles I've got are usually at least on the paper and not too far off where as this one is miles off.

So assuming I could get it shooting say sub inch reliably with new mounts, what would you do with it? Sell it - could probably get about £500 for it looking at gun trader, persevere with it and get the safety sorted out and keep it, or just leave i in the cabinet and use my 30-06 for everything!

If I was to get something else I'd be looking at say sako85, mauser m12, kimber simething like that probably so would have to find another grand or so!
 
It seems you dislike the action, length of barrel, trigger, saftey mechanism and its accuracy is poor. What do you like about it? Might be cheaper to buy a gun you like
 
Use it as a fence post. the action was made for clumsy soldiers to shoot at folk in all conditions. plus you dont seem to like it.
if it still has the bayonet ring then good, it will sick in the ground better:)
 
Well, I like the balance of the rifle, the stock is now pretty lovely as well, and it's kind of nice having a clunky old historical action in some ways.
 
No I don't hand load. Proabably something I ought to do but don't have the time to get into it really and I'm not a target shooter so can't really justify it on cost grounds.
 
It may be an option for you to reduce those group sizes. How many factory loads have you tried in it? Have you tried a selection of bullet weights?
 
It may be an option for you to reduce those group sizes. How many factory loads have you tried in it? Have you tried a selection of bullet weights?

Ues I have mate but tbh I'm certain it's a mounts or scop issue at the moment as I get the of group that's about 4 inches or so and then it might settle back down to an inch or so.
 
Hang on to it.

Remove the Bipod.

Remove the flag safety and either put on a low profile flag safety or a Timney trigger with side safety. http://www.timneytriggers.com/shop/timney-mauser-safety-low-profile.aspx. Don't bother remving the flag - just leave it in fire position.

You can get Timney's in the UK but more expensive than the US - actually Sportsman have a sale £40 - https://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/timney-triggers

Three position safeties are really nice though.

Don't both with a one piece base. Do bother to properly fit the rear base - use some smoke or machinest blue and spot it on and / or bed it on some araldite - can be removed with a bit of heat if required but will take out any movement. Also lap the rings so that they in line and no stress on the scope. I have a one piece base on my Rigby - essentially the same rifle and it really gets in the way of loading. Do the front base at the same time.

If needs be get a pre threaded walther barrel in calibre of choice and rebarrel it.
 
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Hang on to it.

Remove the Bipod.

Remove the flag safety and either put on a low profile flag safety or a Timney trigger with side safety. http://www.timneytriggers.com/shop/timney-mauser-safety-low-profile.aspx. Don't bother remving the flag - just leave it in fire position.

You can get Timney's in the UK but more expensive than the US - actually Sportsman have a sale £40 - https://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/timney-triggers

Three position safeties are really nice though.

Don't both with a one piece base. Do bother to properly fit the rear base - use some smoke or machinest blue and spot it on and / or bed it on some araldite - can be removed with a bit of heat if required but will take out any movement. Also lap the rings so that they in line and no stress on the scope. I have a one piece base on my Rigby - essentially the same rifle and it really gets in the way of loading. Do the front base at the same time.

If needs be get a pre threaded walther barrel in calibre of choice and rebarrel it.

interesting stuff. Thanks for the info on the timneys I hadn't thought of that.
 
Don't throw good money after bad! part X it for something you like.

+1. It's possible to spend a lot of time and money on rifles like these and still have a rifle that's not worth very much. I twice spent £100 on adjusting a £100 shotgun to fit better. It was still only worth £100.

Regards

JCS
 
Sounds like you dislike this rifle it's my experience that you won't grow to like it but will throw money at it and still not really like it so cut your losses and move onto to a rifle you like.
 
Get your self a nice tikka or sako and as above don't waste your money on something you don't truly want regards benji
 
Don't throw good money after bad! part X it for something you like.

+3

Cut your losses and move on.

There are plenty of inexpensive rifles that will be more accurate and reliable out of the box than your one likely will with another few hundred thrown into it.

I speak from experience!
 
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