Which dog?

[Bowland blades]

I know this has been done to death… but please humour me I’m here to be educated.
My husband has decided he wants a deer dog. However, I know I’ll be the one who has the dog the most. I have 7 working collies, trained them all myself. I’ve tried to persuade him to try one of them but he won’t
Anyway, it’ll be a pet as well as working dog and I know that the sensible choice is a black lab, but honestly, I find them so boring. I can’t get excited about having one.
I do however like BMH but I know they are hounds so tougher to train, especially for a novice. I’ve trained all my collies, and a huntaway, so am experienced with them but never a deer dog.
If he’s away and it’s not getting any work, will it go self employed? Am I stupid for even considering one?

Your thinking of those fat badly bred pet Labs . If you want something whizzy for deer they are about speak to me and i can put you in touch with the right breeders . Collies are great deer dogs and as you must know finding sheep buried in deep snow on a Northern fell , the issue can be we have been selective for those that are reacting to commands fast and it seems and this commonly means " gun shy " is a norm
I have Labs from the best lines and they are not anything like Labs of old - deer no problem ! They take to wherever you want to do with them to do and remain in the top of the list for deer work

 

[pendle]

A BMH is a very specific dog bred for the sole purpose of tracking wounded deer and boar, or people by the German police. They can be very much a one person dog. If you want different and a dog around the house a Teckel would be ideal.

There is a BMH used by a UK police force.

 

[Bowland blades]

There is a BMH used by a UK police force.

I think it could do very well as a tracker of man or a drugs dog and explosives etc . Its really down to the training / handling like most

 

[pendle]

I think it could do very well as a tracker of man or a drugs dog and explosives etc . Its really down to the training / handling like most

I saw a video of it while in training for man tracking. It was supplied by a mate in the uk.

 

[Bowland blades]

A BMH is a very specific dog bred for the sole purpose of tracking wounded deer and boar, or people by the German police. They can be very much a one person dog. If you want different and a dog around the house a Teckel would be ideal.

A hound ? not really and have spent a fair bit of time with " hounds" out of all the BMH i have encountered they are very much Dogs , I think this is the reason the BMH is not as popular as it might be in the UK
To see a "hound" walking well at heel and recalling like a dog is rare but i see most BMH walking to heel on /off leash etc just like a Labrador . try that with an average Tackel

 

[Bowland blades]

I would definitely. But the 2 dogs that might be decent are both noise sensitive/gun shy unfortunately

As is the case with nearly every border collie in the UK . Suspect its through selecting the animals that respond well to whistle or voice call even when on a windy fell when a fair way out from the handler etc .

 

[gelert]

A hound ? not really and have spent a fair bit of time with " hounds" out of all the BMH i have encountered they are very much Dogs , I think this is the reason the BMH is not as popular as it might be in the UK
To see a "hound" walking well at heel and recalling like a dog is rare but i see most BMH walking to heel on /off leash etc just like a Labrador . try that with an average Tackel

I have no idea what you were trying to convey with that rambling.
"Out of all the BMH i have encountered they are very much dogs"lost me there sorry.
But I agree with the Teckel part.
But people dont buy a Teckel for them to walk at heel.

 

[Bowland blades]

I have no idea what you were trying to convey with that rambling.
"Out of all the BMH i have encountered they are very much dogs"lost me there sorry.
But I agree with the Teckel part.
But people dont buy a Teckel for them to walk at heel.

I meant proper hounds , the type we took out to hunt foxes in the hills with a gun pack . The description of " hound " has been messed up ! Most BMH i have come across are "hounds" only by name not hound by nature .

 

[VSS]

I meant proper hounds , the type we took out to hunt foxes in the hills with a gun pack . The description of " hound " has been messed up ! Most BMH i have come across are "hounds" only by name not hound by nature .

You seem to have a very narrow concept of what constitutes a "hound".


(Ps: They're all just dogs in my opinion, just bred for different jobs).

 

[rem284]

There's only one breed that really cuts the mustard for deer work. German Wirehaired Pointer. Oh, it so happens that I have a litter of the finest bred ones due next weekend!!!

 

[Vapours]

OK so not a lab but different with a good guard reflex. And interesting to train!

Try a Chesapeak Bay Retriever

 

[Bowland blades]

OK so not a lab but different with a good guard reflex. And interesting to train!

Try a Chesapeak Bay Retriever

Good dogs in the right hands some temperaments are a bit dodgy . Good dogs in the water but no better than a Lab at anything and fewer labs will resort to violence so much faster . I have never figured out if the breed attracts the bad handler though ?
I have never wanted or needed a dog to do more than bark a warning and I 100% don't want sending home or worse

 

[Rob-E]

With seven collies and a huntaway on the premises, what need have you of a guard dog?

I have recently started using my now old GSD for tracking deer, she’s a natural. She also barks at bloody everything too! I’m sure someone with your experience could get even more out of one.

In fact on the last stalk she called in a barking roe buck as she kept responding to its single barks so it charged in to investigate…

 

[Malxwal]

Passing some downtime on Google, found this text in relation to GWP:
German Wirehaired Pointers are very intelligent, responsive, and eager to please, so they are generally easy to train. Early socialization and puppy training classes are recommended and help to ensure that the dog grows into a well-adjusted, well-mannered companion.

 

[Tralle]

Passing some downtime on Google, found this text in relation to GWP:
German Wirehaired Pointers are very intelligent, responsive, and eager to please, so they are generally easy to train. Early socialization and puppy training classes are recommended and help to ensure that the dog grows into a well-adjusted, well-mannered companion.

Haha! I have read the English pointer described as a highly intelligent dog breed.
Owning one, I am either unlucky, cant tell or they lied to me!
Dont trust everything on the internet
(That said the gwp is probably one of the more intelligent breeds.)

I believe the wirehaired pointer is one of, if not, the most common dog in the blood tracking register in Denmark. There is probably a reason for that.

I have seen good blood tracking from spaniels, retrievers, spitz-breeds, bmh, gwp's and so on.

The Spitz i saw was absolutely amazing! but it, and the handler, had tons of experience
He did it for a living.
It was in the snow so you could somewhat see what was going on, finished up by taking down the wounded fallow and letting the handler dispatch it.

I have seen a bmh and few gwp that have been overly protective, thoose were very much one person dogs!
But that is most likely the owners fault aswell.

I dont know if it is common in uk to have the dogs hetz wounded deer, ie take them down.
If you want that, you start ruling out certain breeds if we are talking reed deer.

If you had not ruled out a teckle, that is what i would have said, as smart as a collie, but with absolutely no intention to please you

 

[Dan Newcombe]

If you want a guard dog as well have a look at a decent GSD. I know you are used to collies but the Mali / Herders can be nut cases unless you are doing a lot with them and a lot takes time