Why some deer stalkers are their own worst enemies!!!

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jamross65 said:
I've never seen an attractive photo of a headshot anything, so why no issue when its a fox splatted across a field that's shown in a photo?

I happen to agree that any photos taken should be done so tastefully, but let's not get on the holier than thou trail just because its deer.

Perhaps the discussion should be about respecting wildlife we manage in general, not just deer...
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If it is pest control, there is no need to take a photo anyway other than perhaps as evidence to the permission giver that you are doing your job.

As for social media......total can of worms and does more destruction than social benefit.

I do agree that attitudes and respect has shifted but that is down to the shooting community to train people how to behave as much as it is how to shoot.
 
On the other hand, it could look out dated.....pompous ceremony and old boys network. And the Victorians..... Whilst they did many things they also raped the world and applied levels of etiquette that frankly are absurd. And were as corrupt today as our society is now. So a bow tie, garters, a stalkers hat makes a difference. I don't think so.

I do not own tweed and I never will. I do not need to look smart to respect the quarry I shoot and nor do you have to wear funny hats sound horns and put greenery in the mouth to respect the animal you have taken. I can do that inside my head. I take pictures as evidence and then delete. I don't post on social networks (any) as I view my real friends are a call away. I am not into trophy hunting and if I come across a medal head I will sell it to offset the cost of my sport. I prefer to head shoot as a blown off jaw is still as unacceptable to me to a spine shot or gut shot when you are aiming at the engine room. Like anything to do with shooting, don't do it unless you have the confidence in yourself and your kit and have the mental attitude and the fortitude to follow up if something goes wrong and the shot is not the grasser you desire.

I wear what is needed for the field and game shooting and all the ceremony associated with it isn't my thing. The Europeans have more ritual....ok that's not a bad thing but it is still pompous.

Yet they will shoot running game which in the UK is treated with stiff upper lip sniffiness and perhaps unsporting...ungentlemanly even ????

Fox hunting with packs has the same pretentious image with a common perception that it is an excuse for a load of toffs and hoy palloys to charge across the countryside in the guise of doing pest control.....look what happened to that - even though I think the law should be repealed and repealed a long time ago too and any persons convicted having their convictions quashed. I don't agree with fox hunting with hounds when it is supported with pest control arguments. That's just cock.

There are always more than one perspective.
 
Totally disagree with you. It isn't a case of not being bothered by a head shot going wrong at all. Engine room shots are not the only option and perhaps is a mark of a lack of confidence in your skills and equipment.

So if you engine room an animal and you gut shoot, spine it, blow a leg off....that's acceptable more so than a head shot. It runs knowing it has a fatal injury for 100 yards whereas a headshot - one second its eating something and the next its zip...nothing and total unawareness that it has passed over.

Thank you for your concern but I am very happy with head shot and prefer them to your engine room alternative unless there is a good reason to go engine over head.
 
NigelM said:
I am very happy with what I do, but there is no need to ram it down other peoples throats.
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There is also no need to duck your head behind parapets - the shooting community is too keen on that approach hence why we get mullered on the rare occasion something bad happens. We are as effective as a single hand clap in a crowded theatre.

I prefer pro-activeness and I promote shooting and especially hunting.

I love what I do and I love educating and challenging PC ignorance. I go out of my way to getting PC people to try shooting rather than walk away letting them believe what they think is right
 
jelendeer said:
pictures! .... Pictures of dead deer on facebook and other forums. Dead deer looking like they have been run-over! Dead deer with eyes hanging out and skulls split in half! Dead deer with hats on and cigarettes sticking out of their mouths! Etc. Etc.

I'm appalled at the number of photos in circulation on forums and social media showing a total disrespect for the animals. Some of these images are actually disgraceful!

If hunters/stalkers must pose with pictures of their deer, then its not difficult for them to achieve photography that look like they actually cared! ... In the end it will be stuff like this that will help get deerstalking taken away from non-professionals!!

Don't say we didn't warn you!

Regards,

mike.
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totally agree
 
Dearly departed

With a head shot you have a small margin for error and there fore a higher chance of injuring that animal. A heart and lung shot is a far bigger target with a more ethical chance of following up a bad shot. If you blow the jaw off of a deer you have no blood trail, so when it runs off to a poor shot it is never found, just suffers a slow painful death. A poor shot to the heart and lung area still leaves ample blood trail and if a gut shot deer, it is unfortunate but the day can still be saved with use of a dog etc. All depends on the range you are shooting at your calibre there are so many variables I feel it should be more the case of heart and lung shots unless a certain situation arises where a head shot is necessary. You say you try to educate people who are against our sport, well I hope you do not insist on teaching them to head shoot deer, as I would say this was bad practice and could be used against us.

I'm sticking my head above the parapet on this occasion ;)

sivell
 
As expected, as much 'personal opinion' on this thread as there is on the 'repeal of the Hunting Act' thread...but a [thankfully small] number of the opinions aired show prejudice, selfishness and ignorance in equal measure.

There are very small elements in all hunting sports which do dis-service to the whole, and need educating accordingly.
 
I'm not a fan of graphic photos, but am not bothered by trophy photos. I even have a Facebook page where I upload trailcam photos and the odd trophy photo too.

There seems to be a lot of focus on these type of photos at present though, especially when the hunter is also present in the photo (some comedian has apparently got a bee in his bonnet after seeing trophy photos of a young woman with the giraffe that she'd taken).
 
Crack on and worry then.

The day I bother my arse what others think of what I do is the day I`ll pack it in.

Animals die during hunting, sometimes it`s not pretty, it`s still more morally defensible than getting someone else to kill your food for you.


If I start a facebook page about ugly roadkill do you think I could get cars banned so that I can cycle in peace ?
 
Came across this only lately so apologies.
2 options, be funny, or honest - both equally acceptable - I have zero ability to be humorous so I'll go for honesty.

I think the practice of posting ANY pictures of shot animals is crude and thoughtless. I have my own experience of graphic outcomes and don't want to see anyone else's.

It tarnishes shooting sports in a way which convinces 'the general public' we are murdering morons. If we shoot properly we do it for food, not for blood. Even food 'secondhand' as a result of paid stalking is worthy for both parties. We all enjoy hunting videos but the killing actually isnt the point. The sight of Americans shooting bears with bows fills me with loathing.
We can kill cleanly, all of us always strive to do that and we should help non-hunters (at least in this country) to recognise that, whilst the object of hunting may be to control pests or fill the larder or both necessitating dead animals, it is always undertaken in a humane way.
I have shot more humanely since wounding a hare I followed for almost a mile to despatch it.
We all know about Peter Scott.
We all 'grow-up' eventually.
 
I have shot more humanely since wounding a hare I followed for almost a mile to despatch it.
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I avoid shooting Hares if possible, not too many about UK wide ... remember catching one badly with a 12 gauge, it screamed like a human baby, the follow up second barrel finished it, went right off Hares for years.
 
Like you Steve I prefer not to shoot them if possible, on the walked up shoot I look after now ,I have built up a reasonable amount of hares and would like to keep it so.


We limit the guns to two per day per gun, also made a rule that hares are carried by the person who shot them a lot are not keen to shoot them if they think they are going to have to carry them for half a day
as often we are only near the vehicles at either lunch time or at the end of the day.

Last season on a total of 41 days shooting averaging 5 guns per day only 19 hares in total were shot , so it seems to be working , better I think than the banning shooting them altogether which was the alternative.
 
bogtrotter said:
Like you Steve I prefer not to shoot them if possible, on the walked up shoot I look after now ,I have built up a reasonable amount of hares and would like to keep it so.


We limit the guns to two per day per gun, also made a rule that hares are carried by the person who shot them a lot are not keen to shoot them if they think they are going to have to carry them for half a day
as often we are only near the vehicles at either lunch time or at the end of the day.

Last season on a total of 41 days shooting averaging 5 guns per day only 19 hares in total were shot , so it seems to be working , better I think than the banning shooting them altogether which was the alternative.
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This reminds me of an unfortunate incident on a rough shoot that I used to belong to. Right at the start of the day an elderly gun shot a hare, rather than carry it around all morning he promptly gave it to a nine year old girl to carry whilst she was beating. The hare was deposited in the van by the somewhat exhausted child when we stopped for our lunch about 3 hours later. At the end of the day when we divided up the bag, the aforementioned gun when presented with his hare exclaimed " Oh, I don't want that old thing" and promptly threw it into a deep bramble thicket.

atb Tim
 
Glyn 1 said:
Couldn't agree more.

I joined Facebook a couple of weeks ago because I felt that I was getting left behind. Already I have caught up with a couple of very old friends so that is a good thing.

In my initial enthusiasm I joined a couple of deer related groups which I am now trying to work out how to un-join! (Anyone know how to do this?)
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I've sent you destructions via Whatsapp mate. ;)
 
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