wildlife and natural enviroment (scotland) act 2011

[Caberhill]

wildlife and natural enviroment (scotland) act 2011,

So who can tell me what the effects the above mentioned bill is going to have after April 2012?

As far as I can tell out of season shooting will require the hunter to be listed on the fit and competent register.

And the second point is after 2014 the scottish goverment are to introduce a meathod for assesing the competence of every deer stalker in scotland but as of yet is not defined.

My biggest problem is a farm I get to shoot has huge problems with maurading reds in april.

So how of the track am I and what are others opinions on the how the bill will affect us as deer manages

Ali

 

[Tamus]

wildlife and natural enviroment (scotland) act 2011,

So who can tell me what the effects the above mentioned bill is going to have after April 2012?

As far as I can tell out of season shooting will require the hunter to be listed on the fit and competent register.

And the second point is after 2014 the scottish goverment are to introduce a meathod for assesing the competence of every deer stalker in scotland but as of yet is not defined.

My biggest problem is a farm I get to shoot has huge problems with maurading reds in april.

So how of the track am I and what are others opinions on the how the bill will affect us as deer manages

Ali

I wish I knew what was going to happen too... but...

I do know that the act says a review of the levels of competence and the effects of those levels competence is what must be carried out by SNH by 01/04/2014. That's not actually an introduction of anything yet though.

There are also the lines that state:

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]17A Register of persons competent to shoot deer
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold][/FONT][/FONT](1) The Scottish Ministers may by regulations—
(a) make provision for the establishment and operation of a register of
persons competent to shoot deer in Scotland;
(b) prohibit any person from shooting deer unless the person is—
(i) registered; or
(ii) supervised by a registered person;
(c) provide that being a registered person is sufficient to meet the
requirements as to fitness and competence under sections 26(2)(d) and
37(1);
(d) require registered persons or owners or occupiers of land to submit cull
returns to SNH.

Note the word "may" at 17A (1) above... I take that to mean they "may" or they "may" not. Has further information been published saying they "will"? Because I don't see how they can say that till they've carried out the review. Has the review been completed already?

 

[Caberhill]

I saw that "may", might as have wrote m"ay or may not as we haven't really decided yet". I guess it is also leading paragraph indicating to the industry to set its own standard, get everything in line and we won't need to set any further laws on the issue?

I guess the requirement for being on the fit and competent to shoot out of season just means I'll have to get my DSC 2 after all. It's no hastle I have the deer to shoot and the ground to do it and there is always a trick or to extra to learn although with or without dsc 2 I'm always learning. It's just the putting my hand in my pocket but I don't want to do..

 

[greyface]

It's all very much "work in progress" and was apparently alluded to at a large meeting of highland deer managers in Kingussie last week.
I'd suggest you ask the ex-deer commission, now SNH people, in Inverness and get facts straight from the horses mouth.

 

[Caberhill]

Cheers Greyface, I'll do just that hopefully today or tomorrow morning. I'll let you all nkow what they say.

Cheers.

Ali

 

[greyface]

No word back from alis so here's my take on the situation. This is after a rather garbled conversation in the pub so feel free to correct me.

Some form of competence certification for deer stalking/management/culling is going to be required by this Act.

SNH are looking at getting a large uptake of people doing Level 1 DSC ASAP on a voluntary basis. This would look good for the deer industry at the end of the current consultation and would hopefully pre-empt the Scottish Government bringing in their own legislation in 2014.

SNH may make alterations to DSC 1.

SNH have some thoughts on bringing farmers and crofters (and poachers?) into the competence scheme.

DSC Level 2 would be abolished altogether but only in Scotland if we vote for independence.

 

[Tamus]

They tell me 30% of the Scottish workforce is currently employed in the "Public" sector. So, I reckon anything that gives them some paper to push around is definitely staying on the table... even more so if we wind up going commando with Maximum Eck.

DSC2 Abolished??? ..... In favour of what?

 

[6pointer]

Greyface you are correct about the competence in the main Lev 1 will be the standard needed to stalk and shoot deer in Scotland. Lev 2 or similar will be used to keep the public happy and will be kept no mater what happens. FCS SNH require lev 2 as a minimum and forestry companies are using it more and more.

 

[greyface]

QUOTE :- "Lev 2 or similar will be used to keep the public happy and will be kept no mater what happens."

Watch this space!. Been reliably informed that the main man at SNH for this stated differently at the ADMG meeting at Kingussie a week ago. Wasn't there myself (I'm almost retired but still potter about at the larder etc.) but heard this three times now from different people who were. Maybe it was supposed to be confidential.
PS I do think the bit about voting for independence was dangly bits.

 

[6pointer]

Well grey face if the FCS and SNH Remove the need for Lev 2 to shoot on government ground i will eat my hat sir .If it was a meeting at Kingussie why would it be a secret to much of that type of **** going about lets have it out in the open.

 

[kuwinda]

wildlife and natural enviroment (scotland) act 2011,

So who can tell me what the effects the above mentioned bill is going to have after April 2012?

As far as I can tell out of season shooting will require the hunter to be listed on the fit and competent register.

Oddly I was reading this this very morn.
And the second point is after 2014 the scottish goverment are to introduce a meathod for assesing the competence of every deer stalker in scotland but as of yet is not defined.

My biggest problem is a farm I get to shoot has huge problems with maurading reds in april.

So how of the track am I and what are others opinions on the how the bill will affect us as deer manages

Ali

My take (and I stand to be corrected, as the legislation is Bizantine in the extreme) is that yes out of season shooting, even in agricultural land or enclosed woodland, will require an SNH authorisation after 1st April and the shooter will require to be on the register - EXCEPT where he is "the occupier, his servant, etc, etc"

Must admit I didn't get as far as the competency bit.

 

[widows son]

It's all very much "work in progress" and was apparently alluded to at a large meeting of highland deer managers in Kingussie last week.
I'd suggest you ask the ex-deer commission, now SNH people, in Inverness and get facts straight from the horses mouth.

Looks like some of us that use the forum don't actually read, what written on the subject, I have posted what the changes are in Scotland three times which are straight from the horses mouth, I also posted the new ACT for your perusal, as per the email which I had from SNH highlighting the changes , after raising the question at the LDNS meeting in peebles .

 

[6pointer]

Now if we get independence i am told that any one out side of the independent state of Scotland will need to qualify to cull deer in scotland and that will mean sitting DSCS (Deer Stalking Certificate Scotland) . There will also be a levy on each deer shot and you will need to be on a Scottish competent register to people living in Scotland this will be free or a small fee but others will need to pay in excess of £150 to be placed on the register.






Cant get my tongue out of my cheek

 

[Paul at Fechan]

well, lets be honest, they're ****s aren't they

 

[cervus1981]

Now if we get independence i am told that any one out side of the independent state of Scotland will need to qualify to cull deer in scotland and that will mean sitting DSCS (Deer Stalking Certificate Scotland) . There will also be a levy on each deer shot and you will need to be on a Scottish competent register to people living in Scotland this will be free or a small fee but others will need to pay in excess of £150 to be placed on the register.






Cant get my tongue out of my cheek

Lol good one 6 pointer. furthermore I understand that to stalk in Scotland visiting stalkers will be required to learn all of the verses of 'Flower of Scotland' stalk wearing a 'see you Jimmy' hat and dine on haggis, tatties and neeps each night.

 

[greyface]

Originally Posted by greyface
It's all very much "work in progress" and was apparently alluded to at a large meeting of highland deer managers in Kingussie last week.
I'd suggest you ask the ex-deer commission, now SNH people, in Inverness and get facts straight from the horses mouth.

Looks like some of us that use the forum don't actually read, what written on the subject, I have posted what the changes are in Scotland three times which are straight from the horses mouth, I also posted the new ACT for your perusal, as per the email which I had from SNH highlighting the changes , after raising the question at the LDNS meeting in peebles .

QUOTE :- "paul at barony well, lets be honest, they're ****s aren't they"

My apologies, obviously I offend the cognoscenti on this forum.
Please forget I ever dared darken your doorstep.

 

[widows son]

Originally Posted by greyface
It's all very much "work in progress" and was apparently alluded to at a large meeting of highland deer managers in Kingussie last week.
I'd suggest you ask the ex-deer commission, now SNH people, in Inverness and get facts straight from the horses mouth.




QUOTE :- "paul at barony well, lets be honest, they're ****s aren't they"

My apologies, obviously I offend the cognoscenti on this forum.
Please forget I ever dared darken your doorstep.

Wiping the tears way just now, of laughter ,give your nuts a squeeze and get back on the programme.

Apologies Why have you done something wrong ???

No one is chastising anyone ,it seems to be the the same old questions are arising time after time and within days of each other under a similar heading if not the same one .

 

[hole shot]

I saw that "may", might as have wrote m"ay or may not as we haven't really decided yet". I guess it is also leading paragraph indicating to the industry to set its own standard, get everything in line and we won't need to set any further laws on the issue?

I guess the requirement for being on the fit and competent to shoot out of season just means I'll have to get my DSC 2 after all. It's no hastle I have the deer to shoot and the ground to do it and there is always a trick or to extra to learn although with or without dsc 2 I'm always learning. It's just the putting my hand in my pocket but I don't want to do..

You dont require to have level two to be accepted on the SNH fit & compatent reg

 

[David63]

Dear All,
This may be a useful link as it gives a summary of main 'offences'

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/E...urces/Newsletters/Issue2/Legislation/WANEBill

And this in relation to the Deer CoP;

http://www.snh.gov.uk/land-and-sea/managing-wildlife/managing-deer/code-of-deer-management/

I have also asked our team in Scotland for their comments.
David

 

[widows son]

Ah BASC, a response, David it has only been spoken about on here for the last three months ,bit late the people are not wanting BASC Scotland's take on it, their wanting the Do's and don'ts in plain everyday speak, which should have been up ages ago, since this was all introduced last June 2011 being the first commencement of the bill.

Coming into force on the 1 of January 2012 BUT not implemented as law until 1 of April 2012 .

So just when and were is BASC, the leader of the associations in the UK going to educate its members in Scotland , or are we all just mushrooms up here kept in the dark and fed on shjt until were needed as a voice .

Or will it turn down a members court case, due to the members ignorance of the change in the law, the various associations not gaining the knowledge required to pass back to there members, thus being part of the problem rather than the solution, to what could be potentially a severe problem for any stalker not conversant with the changes , if someone is walking on the wrong side of the law, due to a lack of communication from the very groups that they rely on the pass on the information in full.